Just in case you did not see... MSU flips a 4 star from UF

[BeardoMSU]

surprising comments coming from an offensive coordinator who?s team is 2-5 (one win by forfeit) and highest offensive output is 13 points?you may could use a kid like Creed Whitmore on your team to maybe ?toughen? them. Maybe we should call you Woody34?

[Goldendawg]

Also by the end of this season, Austin Williams will probably be top 5 in school history in receptions and touchdowns and top 8 or so in yards, so if this recruit is "just another Austin Williams," that's great.

Williams has the advantage of playing 6 years, but he has been a good, steady contributor. This new commit has a very long offer list with some very big names and blue bloods. Very good pickup, continue to add more especially on DL and safety. Hail State!

[Coach34]

surprising comments coming from an offensive coordinator who?s team is 2-5 (one win by forfeit) and highest offensive output is 13 points?you may could use a kid like Creed Whitmore on your team to maybe ?toughen? them. Maybe we should call you Woody34?

A) We scored 28 this year
B) Our 93 points we have scored this season has already exceeded last season's total even after the loss of a 3-star signee to Nebraska. This was a total rebuild job and we are making progress. Starting alot of freshmen and sophs in a good league while installing a new offense takes time right- ala Leach in 2020?

[Goldendawg]

A) We scored 28 this year
B) Our 93 points we have scored this season has already exceeded last season's total even after the loss of a 3-star signee to Nebraska. This was a total rebuild job and we are making progress. Starting alot of freshmen and sophs in a good league while installing a new offense takes time right- ala Leach in 2020?

Any of your Freshmen and Sophs white boys? Asking for a friend.********

[dawgday166]

A) We scored 28 this year
B) Our 93 points we have scored this season has already exceeded last season's total even after the loss of a 3-star signee to Nebraska. This was a total rebuild job and we are making progress. Starting alot of freshmen and sophs in a good league while installing a new offense takes time right- ala Leach in 2020?

No excuses dude. You weren't cutting Leach any slack for any of those reasons. **

[WhiskeyPirate]

A) We scored 28 this year
B) Our 93 points we have scored this season has already exceeded last season's total even after the loss of a 3-star signee to Nebraska. This was a total rebuild job and we are making progress. Starting alot of freshmen and sophs in a good league while installing a new offense takes time right- ala Leach in 2020?

LMAO

Ok Knute Rockne

[dawgday166]

LMAO

Ok Knute Rockne

I'm thinking if they ain't scoring a bunch in a tough league (SEC tough??) playing Fr & Sophs ... he probably needs to change his offense. *

[DEDawg]

anyone know if this is an actual flip or if UF let him go and we picked him up?

[Commercecomet24]

anyone know if this is an actual flip or if UF let him go and we picked him up?

He tweeted that he decommited from uf and then committed to us, but who knows. He's got elite speed and agility so i figure we can use him either way.

[Goldendawg]

anyone know if this is an actual flip or if UF let him go and we picked him up?

Don't know, but check his offer list on 24/7. He has many other places he can choose to go, including some very big name programs. Hail State and add some more needed talent!

[msu15]

A) We scored 28 this year
B) Our 93 points we have scored this season has already exceeded last season's total even after the loss of a 3-star signee to Nebraska. This was a total rebuild job and we are making progress. Starting alot of freshmen and sophs in a good league while installing a new offense takes time right- ala Leach in 2020?

Keep that up and you'll have many free weekends in the near future.

[Tater]

Whatever ... maybe we'll just call it a cancel culture issue then. The point being there is a lot of stuff said I don't like but I don't holler for people to be banned over it either. Cause I think they should be allowed to say it.

No one is saying you can't legally say things. We're saying that the board legally doesn't have to host / platform them. It's not "cancel culture"; it's freedom of speech. Your rights ends where another's begins. Twitter doesn't have to give you a platform. Elitedawgs doesn't have to give him a platform. That's how the first amendment works.

[Hot Rock]

So what if he believes it. Who really cares if he believes that. That's freedom of thought/speech ... sorta like what the 1s Amendment guarantees .. you know.

As to any kids he might've "shoved aside", that's between him and his employer. I imagine tho that hasn't happened cause if you're a coach you just want the best football players, or you ain't much of a coach.

You made your racism point in your 1st couple of posts. Going on and on about it all night long wasn't necessary. I'm white and I wasn't offended.

You weren't offended because you have gotten OK with racism around you. It was racist remark by a racist man and the fact you are OK with it says a lot about you too.

[dawgday166]

No one is saying you can't legally say things. We're saying that the board legally doesn't have to host / platform them. It's not "cancel culture"; it's freedom of speech. Your rights ends where another's begins. Twitter doesn't have to give you a platform. Elitedawgs doesn't have to give him a platform. That's how the first amendment works.

Not arguing that point and don't wanna get in a political debate. With Elitedawgs ... it is privately owned so yes ... they don't have to give you a platform and can pretty much ban you for anything really. BUT ... they could be sued just like the Mom & Pop bakery that don't believe in gay marriage and won't sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, which might put them outta business defending the suit, just like the Mom & Pop shop.

I disagree on Twitter cause it's publicly owned with shareholders from around the world and such and if they wanna set some ground rules that's ok .. as long as they enforce them equally across the board, which Twitter doesn't.

Using your argument would mean they could also discriminate based on whatever they want to, including race, gender, sex orientation or whatnot ... which will happen in the not so distant future. Now I know you will say "but there are laws in place for that" which is true. And some of those laws violate the Constitution itself.

By the end of the decade these huge corporations will consolidate more and more and will eventually be usurping the Constitution thru their rules and policies. Since everyone will be reliant on them for everything (jobs, food, clothing, housing, banking etc.) they'll be able to arbitrarily destroy people's lives or shut off their bank accounts if they don't conform to their ways of thinking or if they say benign, but "offensive" things. So much for the "diversity" they push now cause then everyone will have to conform, which ain't "diversity". Orwell ... we have arrived.

Now I really don't wanna get into a political debate about all of this and people can disagree with me, laugh at me, scoff at what I say, or whatever. I've done deep research going back for over a hundred years and I know who owns what at the very, very top of the world, and can prove it. But not going to and just gonna let it all play out one way or the other. IMO ... it ain't looking to rosy going forward right now.

The whole point was the allowance of offensive speech (i.e. free speech). Hollering "racism" at the drop of a hat about every trivial thing does get a little old to me.

ETA: I also thought the whole thing was more about BSD not liking C34 than anything else really.

[Offshore Dawg]

Well, this thread has headed downhill since the first page !!

[SilentSteel16]

Well, this thread has headed downhill since the first page !!

Haha I know right. Hopefully this new recruit never hears of this thread. Welcome to the Hospitality State my man……

[Maverick91]

If a State fan was a thread this thread would be it. A thread about flipping a 4 star recruit very quickly becomes a thread to insult that very recruit! Claps all around! Lol

P.S. Tater I agree with most of what you say but please know our rights end with the constitution not someones feelings.

[SilentSteel16]

If a State fan was a thread this thread would be it. A thread about flipping a 4 star recruit very quickly becomes a thread to insult that very recruit! Claps all around! Lol

P.S. Tater I agree with most of what you say but please know our rights end with the constitution not someones feelings.

Amen !! Nailed it

[Tater]

If a State fan was a thread this thread would be it. A thread about flipping a 4 star recruit very quickly becomes a thread to insult that very recruit! Claps all around! Lol

P.S. Tater I agree with most of what you say but please know our rights end with the constitution not someones feelings.

It's no one's feelings on the matter. It's simply a matter of fact that you can say what you want, but no one else has to host / platform what you say. That's that.

And 166, let's just respectfully disagree on a publicly traded company being beholden to different standards than citizens. Citizens United had our idiot Supreme Court decide businesses are people too.

If anyone wants to discuss further, my DMs are open. I'm not responding to anything else that isn't praising this kid for making the best decision of his life on this thread and it's best if we all move forward in the same manner.

[Leroy Jenkins]

It's ok that there are some general differences in people, it makes things interesting. There are not many black hockey players, or Asian olympic lifters, or Middle-Eastern NASCAR drivers, or Latino track and field guys. If there was a Samoan guy in the NBA slam-dunk competition people would notice, but if he was playing rugby no one would think twice. People know who Matthew Boling is because he is a white guy that ran a 9.98 100m.

I mean, if I'm drafting a curling team it will predominantly be Scandinavian women.

It is ok to notice that people are predisposed to be good at different things. What is not ok is prejudging their ability based on that criteria alone.