Ross Mitchell

[Dallas_Dawg]

Guess the debate is settled on him. Will be even further come tourney time. A true bulldog

[maroonmania]

Yep, nothing like having a lucky pitcher on your staff.

[swdawg]

He was even lucky enough to get us out of the 5th inning, when he came in with 2 men on base and only 1 out. Lucky indeed.

Yep, nothing like having a lucky pitcher on your staff.

[Will James]

Please remain ignorant on what my point is. I woulda put him in to start the 6th. He got out of the 5th, great, he's not the best at that though. No slight against him but K's are statistically better in that spot. He is our best at long relief. But if trying to score a message board point on me makes you feel good....

[swdawg]

Hahahahahahaha...This post literally made me laugh out loud. YOU should never have anything to say about someone else trying to score message board points. Message board points ( and I guess twitter points) are what you live for. Please...

And yes, if this is scoring message board points on you, I ****ing love it.

Please remain ignorant on what my point is. I woulda put him in to start the 6th. He got out of the 5th, great, he's not the best at that though. No slight against him but K's are statistically better in that spot. He is our best at long relief. But if trying to score a message board point on me makes you feel good....

[Requiem For A Dawg]

How good could Ross Mitchell be if he didn't suck so bad?

[Will James]

6 for 13 in shutting down innings.

[swdawg]

What do you mean by this? Please explain.

6 for 13 in shutting down innings.

[Todd4State]

Please remain ignorant on what my point is. I woulda put him in to start the 6th. He got out of the 5th, great, he's not the best at that though. No slight against him but K's are statistically better in that spot. He is our best at long relief. But if trying to score a message board point on me makes you feel good....

And.....we're off.....

[Will James]

What do you mean by this? Please explain.

What Ive been saying the whole time. He needs to start the long relief innings but let someone that can K people come in for the starter when he is struggling. Ross has come into SEC games 13 times with runners on base and has allowed runs to score 7 of those times. That's not a good percentage. When he starts innings he's good because allowing balls in play doesn't hurt that much with nobody on but the majority of times we bring him in when the inning needs shutting down and 7 of 13 times he hasn't. Because when balls get put in play runners can advance unlike when batters are struck out. 13 runs have crossed the plate in SEC play alone that have been credited against another pitcher's ERA.

[CadaverDawg]

I actually agree with Will somewhat on this. What he's saying (in a strange way of saying it), is that Ross is a contact pitcher. You don't typically bring in a contact pitcher with RISP and less than 2 outs......you typically bring in a strike out guy to get you out of the inning, and THEN bring in a guy like Ross that gets tons of contact outs and eats innings.

I would have brought in Girodo or Bracewell to get out of the inning, and then Brought in Ross to START the next inning...but it worked out.

Everyone that is trying to make it out like Will is saying "Ross sucks", are doing it on purpose bc you know that's not what he's saying.

But whatever...I'm just trying to clear up what he's saying. Carry on.

[Will James]

I actually agree with Will somewhat on this. What he's saying (in a strange way of saying it), is that Ross is a contact pitcher. You don't typically bring in a contact pitcher with RISP and less than 2 outs......you typically bring in a strike out guy to get you out of the inning, and THEN bring in a guy like Ross that gets tons of contact outs and eats innings.

I would have brought in Girodo or Bracewell to get out of the inning, and then Brought in Ross to START the next inning...but it worked out.

Everyone that is trying to make it out like Will is saying "Ross sucks", are doing it on purpose bc you know that's not what he's saying.

But whatever...I'm just trying to clear up what he's saying. Carry on.

Yes. I thought we left the unthinking at 6P.

[swdawg]

Jesus...I didn't think you'd actually do it. But, there it is...aGAIN.

Everyone understands that Will...EVERYONE. If you would just post THAT on Elitedawgs for discussion, no one would have a problem with it. Maybe one or two, but I doubt it. But that is not the way you framed your argument...you adapted it to that after people started to attack YOU about it.

It's the fact that you have to go and proclaim on twitter that Ross has been lucky more than he's been good - on TWITTER - for God's sake. And then have a long argument about it. It's as if you have to prove yourself to be smarter and savvier than even our Coaches...and it doesn't even occur to you that it might be a problem and be taken as an attack on a guy who has been a really good, steady performer this year. Never mind that Ross might see the tweet.

Try some self awareness.

What Ive been saying the whole time. He needs to start the long relief innings but let someone that can K people come in for the starter when he is struggling. Ross has come into SEC games 13 times with runners on base and has allowed runs to score 7 of those times. That's not a good percentage. When he starts innings he's good because allowing balls in play doesn't hurt that much with nobody on but the majority of times we bring him in when the inning needs shutting down and 7 of 13 times he hasn't. Because when balls get put in play runners can advance unlike when batters are struck out. 13 runs have crossed the plate in SEC play alone that have been credited against another pitcher's ERA.

[swdawg]

Posts like this one are the reason everyone wants to slam you at every opportunity, Will. Self awareness.

Yes. I thought we left the unthinking at 6P.

[The Croom Diaries]

Everyone understands that Will...EVERYONE. If you would just post THAT on Elitedawgs for discussion, no one would have a problem with it. Maybe one or two, but I doubt it. But that is not the way you framed your argument...you adapted it to that after people started to attack YOU about it.

This. You have come up with this conclusion after everyone has run you down at every turn. Yet this weekend, against the best college baseball program in America, Ross pitches in all 3 games and does perfectly. He comes in twice with runners on and got us out of it without any runs scored.

The icing on top of the cake that is you being wrong, is that Ross Mitchell, the man you say isn't very capable of getting us out of jams, got us out of a 2 men on 1 out jam in the 5th inning - one he got your boy, Jacob Lindgren out of, which by the way you said he would go at least 5 innings but he couldn't do that yet again.

You've turned to every direction you can and virtually everyone has called you out on it. You picked a hell of a weekend to go nuts about this argument as Ross shat on your face. But of course you'll never admit to being wrong, just continue to parade BS stats and claim you're right. If you had stuck to one stance the entire time it might be admirable, but since you keep shifting it's really just pathetic.

[Will James]

I don't judge single occurrences based on the result Diary. "Ooooooooh look see he got out of it, golly Will you were wrong." I look at the year as a whole to judge who should do what, not after one series. Nobody except Cadaver has said anything about 6 for 13.

[FFF]

I don't judge single occurrences based on the result Diary. "Ooooooooh look see he got out of it, golly Will you were wrong." I look at the year as a whole to judge who should do what, not after one series. Nobody except Cadaver has said anything about 6 for 13.

K guys give up hits and walks, too... usually much harder hit balls than what Ross gives up... and you haven't mentioned that. What happens when you bring one of those guys in and they don't perform like your numbers say they are supposed to?

aGAIN, you keep dancing around the fact that Ross has consistently been good... just find some stat to keep claiming you are right. Ross got out of 2 key jams this weekend against one of the best hitting teams we have faced this year and you still have given zero credit to Ross at all for doing a good job and pitching 5.1 innings today while giving up one run, instead, you keep talking about "single" (actually twice this weekend) occurances... and this is why people don't give you or your opinion any credit or validity.

Keep tooting your own horn, though... maybe someone will care... I much imagine Butch, Cohen, or Ross don't.

[Will James]

K guys give up hits and walks, too... usually much harder hit balls than what Ross gives up... and you haven't mentioned that. What happens when you bring one of those guys in and they don't perform like your numbers say they are supposed to?

aGAIN, you keep dancing around the fact that Ross has consistently been good... just find some stat to keep claiming you are right. Ross got out of 2 key jams this weekend against one of the best hitting teams we have faced this year and you still have given zero credit to Ross at all for doing a good job and pitching 5.1 innings today while giving up one run, instead, you keep talking about "single" (actually twice this weekend) occurances... and this is why people don't give you or your opinion any credit or validity.

Keep tooting your own horn, though... maybe someone will care...

Uh I believe I've said he's our best long relief guy numerous times. "What happens when one of those K guys doesn't get it done" well going strictly on odds is what will get you the best results over an entire season. That's hat percentages are. Sometimes Holder will give up the run, sometimes Ross will get out of it. Going with the odds over a season will give you the best results. Just think of it like a casino. You COULD hit on 18 but most of the time you will be unsuccessful. Same concept.

[Homedawg]

I don't judge single occurrences based on the result Diary. "Ooooooooh look see he got out of it, golly Will you were wrong." I look at the year as a whole to judge who should do what, not after one series. Nobody except Cadaver has said anything about 6 for 13.

Will points out the 6-13 because he has determined behind his keyboard it's the only valid stat. Era? Worthless. Etc, etc. Babip Another key one the rest are worthless. Or so he says. I might be exaggerating some, ...........but not much.

[The Croom Diaries]

I don't judge single occurrences based on the result Diary. "Ooooooooh look see he got out of it, golly Will you were wrong." I look at the year as a whole to judge who should do what, not after one series. Nobody except Cadaver has said anything about 6 for 13.

Cadaver is agreeing the your argument as it currently sits. Everyone is so fed up with you because this has been your argument, in chronological order:

1. Ross Mitchell is lucky because his BABIP is the highest among our best pitchers
2. Ross will soon begin to fail because the law of averages of BABIP and SIERA say so.
3. Mitchell is overrated because people put an emphasis on stats that don't matter: Wins and ERA.
4. People are afraid to criticize baseball players unlike football and basketball players
5. Ross is good, he just shouldn't be brought in with runners on base.

I may have missed a sequence or two in there, y'all will have to let me know.

Since the basis of your argument is now 6 for 13 (which I think is actually 7 for 14 now) then why don't you break down all the relief pitchers so we can see who is the best in those situations and where Ross ranks among them?

What everyone except you sees is that Ross has done A TON to help this baseball team win games. Even if he gives up a run or two with the men he inherits, he generally goes on to pitch 1-6 innings of shutout baseball afterwards (which goes back to your original argument that he has been lucky yet he keeps putting up zeros). He is far more valuable than Girodo or Bradford on the mound - guys you've said you'd rather have in there.

I'm curious to see if you'll provide a breakdown of inherited runners scored among the entire bullpen to prove your current position. Although I'm sure if you're proven wrong there as well you'll shift to a new corner of this argument that seems to span space and time.