Explain to me how Ray is a "lazy recruiter"?

[dawgs]

2015 class is pretty good.

avg rating of 86 on 247. that's a mid-3* player. the only reason we are ranked high is because we are the only program on the list with 3 commits. rutgers is currently ranked 21st with a 79 avg rating for 2 guys, because a lot programs only have 1 2015 commit right now. i promise you a high 2* avg won't end up being ranked in the top 50 when it's all said and done. in other words, our 2015 class isn't that great.

[mic]

Now that takes the prize for "lets blame Stansbury". It wasn't a basketball problem..

I never said lets blame Stands.. I just said its strange and huge red flag that a kid from Mississippi with "issues" what ever they may be can find a way to make it Vegas, and not in Starkville...

[dawgs]

I think Dante Scott has the potential to be far more than a role player.

And sure, his recruiting hasn't blown anyone away yet. How in the world does that mean he's lazy? That's stupid.

But the problem with this thread was taking Dawg61 seriously to begin with. I have yet to find anyone with a negative opinion of Ray who hasn't, over time, proven himself to be so over-the-top with his negative opinion that he didn't give himself away as just being anti-Ray from the beginning.

No one who is legitimately going to give Ray a fair shake has made up his mind yet.

there's a big difference between questioning ray and whether he's the man to lead us back to relevance and having already made up our mind on him. however, if we voice a negative opinion on him, we get attacked as being anti-ray and never giving him a chance, so obviously we are going to defend why we have valid doubts about ray, and suddenly we aren't giving him a chance. sorry, but i like to discuss msu sports, and when we are this ****ing shitty in a sport, there are going to be valid negative points to discuss. that doesn't mean we want ray to lose or that we've completely written him off, it means we just wonder if he's capable of turning it around and how long do we go before we explore other options and what is the best route for turning it around.

[Coach34]

Ole Coach34 pushing his anti-Stans agenda.

I didnt get Stands fired. He did that too himself. Take your bullshit somewhere else.

[notsofarawaydawg]

Well ineffective and lazy are two different things. And even then we don't know if he can properly evaluate talent and just not bring them in (ineffective) or if he doesn't judge talent well (ineffecient).

Personally I thought Ready, which thusfar is really the only guy we can judge on, was going to provide a big boost. His highlights seemed to show some skill, but I haven't seen much of that thusfar. And he's had a number of injuries which make it tough to judge as well.

Bottom line is that we know we suck but we really I don't think have much of a clue on what we have or don't have other than he's not as lax with the team rules as many coaches probably are.

Next year will allow us to really start making some semi-valid judgements.

Ineffective ?? Just because he doesn't put daddy (Hood) on his payroll, doesn't mean he ineffective. He doesn't cheat at recruiting like other schools do. Daddy was heard telling some local high school coaches he was going to transfer his boy to a school where he would get his handout like he did when Stans was at MSU.

[dawgs]

Ineffective ?? Just because he doesn't put daddy (Hood) on his payroll, doesn't mean he ineffective. He doesn't cheat at recruiting like other schools do. Daddy was heard telling some local high school coaches he was going to transfer his boy to a school where he would get his handout like he did when Stans was at MSU.

for some reason duke and coach K don't strike me as the paying types.

[shannondawg]

for some reason duke and coach K don't strike me as the paying types.

Don't know about others, but in this case you might be wrong...

[Coach34]

for some reason duke and coach K don't strike me as the paying types.

You serious Clark?

Kentucky, Kansas, Michigan, NC...they all have to work it to steal the 5-stars from each other. Ohio St just got busted not long ago...John Wooden at UCLA had people taking care of the program there...

[Coach34]

Ineffective ?? Just because he doesn't put daddy (Hood) on his payroll, doesn't mean he ineffective. He doesn't cheat at recruiting like other schools do. Daddy was heard telling some local high school coaches he was going to transfer his boy to a school where he would get his handout like he did when Stans was at MSU.

exactly. No point in hiding it anymore. And that's why Gray chose to go somewhere else- he wasnt getting his "love" anymore.

[Coach34]

exactly. No point in hiding it anymore. And that's why Gray chose to go somewhere else- he wasnt getting his "love" anymore.

And this is also why I keep hearing Ray is going to get 4 years-he is going to get the chance to build the program right.

[WPDawg]

Stansbury did recruit his way to success. Won a lot of games. but could not get to a sweet 16 and knew that is where he needed to get to stay a fan favorite. But he failed to hire a top notch assistant with sharp X an O mind to help him take the next step and reaching that sweet 16. And apparently he did not have the right bench guy (was Kirby this guy) to keep the players motivated and inline. He failed himself. And his efforts to pull in the "big" recruit (Sidney for example) to help overcome his shortcomings, cost him and put the program his last two years in shambles and hard to watch. He took chances with kids with talent that others may have shied away from because it was good talent he needed to be successful. I believe Stansbury loved MSU and was a bulldog through and through. He took some risky chances with recruiting and it turned on him and the program and it was time to hit the reboot button.

By this point, MSU with a thin player base, was not a top option for potential coaches. Still got to be tough to recruit someone to live in Starkville if they are not from Mississippi. So enter Rick Ray. His close friends had to question his decision to take a chance with a down program in rural Mississippi. But it was the SEC and pay is great so he came. He was put in charge of seeing who wanted to stay and play and that is a tough spot to put someone in when they have had no previous HC experience. Run people off and you look like a hard ass. But the team had almost become high schoolish with the on and off court drama and so new rules had to be set. Consequently, possible recruits did not want to be part of a strict discipline to get things turned around when better options were available.

I dont know Rick Ray and would bet that most on here dont either. But listening to the man talk he appears to be a driven person with some basketball knowledge. Watching his teams play with Hustle and a never give up attitude shows that he is leading them and they are following. Losing lots of games certainly is tough to swallow. But it doesnt mean he and the team arent putting in the work. I pull for him and each kid that puts on the uniform to succeed. They have the look like they want to win for MSU. They are trying to rebuild the program from the ground up. That doesnt produce wins and will not make the trigger-happy video game minded fan happy but it means a hell of a lot to see the efforts they are putting forth.

So now Ray needs that special couple of recruits. He appears to have the workhorses. He just needs to recruit a pure shooter or two and get Ware some help. Are recruits ready to come to Starkville? Can Ray sell them on the postives of great fan support , good facilities and living in a small SEC town? After two years of putting his system in place, he is at the point that he is going to have to take a risk and make some promises to some good recruits that they can come in and be the star right away. Not an easy task.....promising the moon to the right kid who will fit your system and take you to the next level. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt....

[BiscuitEater]

Ray seems to be the opposite of lazy.

Scudttlebutt is that State is getting ready to offer a '14 unrated, SG from Georgia. On the MSU staff, only George Brooks has seen him play and he has seen TWO games. The head coach has NOT even bothered to see the kid play.

Compare that with Stanbury that was attending most of Jonathan Bender's Jr High, high school and AAU games; same with Monta Ellis; same with most of the high profile players that did or didn't end up at State.

NOBODY in the SEC spent more time on the road recruiting than Stans and his assistants ... nobody.

[Coach34]

Newman tweeted out from AAU Tourney in Vegas back during the Summer that Rick Ray was the ONLY coach that stayed around to watch his final game.

[Dawg61]

Newman tweeted out from AAU Tourney in Vegas back during the Summer that Rick Ray was the ONLY coach that stayed around to watch his final game.

Ray isn't lazy with Newman but he and his assistants need to be showing that kind of effort with other players too.

[Coach34]

Ray isn't lazy with Newman but he and his assistants need to be showing that kind of effort with other players too.

And how do you know they arent? The kid from Georgia was a late find because he played at a small school. That's why they have only seen him a couple of times. Teams have film now- there are other ways to see prospects

[shannondawg]

During his years under LT, Stans had to rely on boosters for help with everything except the bare essentials He built a very loyal base in doing that. I don't think anybody can argue that point..

Has Rick started a base such as that? Just curious?

[SouthMsDawg]

Not Stansbury's fault in particular, but someone at UNLV obviously got him the help he needed that no one here managed to.

Southwest Community had ZERO problems with Deville. ZERO and Im friends with their HC. He said that he worked hard at practice and went to class never had any trouble or problems with him whatsoever.

[maroonmania]

he is going to get the chance to build the program right.

Sounds like the Croomesque death nail to the basketball program if you ask me. I assume we were doing things "right" in most of the 70s and 80s as well.

[engie]

Southwest Community had ZERO problems with Deville. ZERO and Im friends with their HC. He said that he worked hard at practice and went to class never had any trouble or problems with him whatsoever.

Then why did Stansbury run him off midseason in a position that he was sorely needed?

[thf24]

Southwest Community had ZERO problems with Deville. ZERO and Im friends with their HC. He said that he worked hard at practice and went to class never had any trouble or problems with him whatsoever.

Then someone got him some help between the time he left us and arrived at Southwest. I'm not going into details and I'm not saying anything else on the subject, but the kid displayed some serious issues during his time in our program.