Explain to me how Ray is a "lazy recruiter"?

[Coach34]

I've seen this mentioned here and other sites and I dont understand it.

To me- a lazy recruiter is one that just tells his people to purchase Recruit A or Recruit B. Buy their love.

I dont see this staff doing that. They are out working their ass off to get people here on campus that dont have their hand out. Thats seems to me like its a much harder and labor-intensive route to recruiting...

Oh, andi can tell ya no coach has been to more Malik Newman games than Ray

[DownwardDawg]

Lazy recruiter = Croom

[JOHNHEVESYMADE]

He isn't bringing in good enough players....

[C222]

He isn't bringing in good enough players....

2015 class is pretty good.

[SouthMsDawg]

He has yet to sign or get a commitment from a 4 star or top 100 recruit

[SouthMsDawg]

2015 class is pretty good.

All role players no superstar in either the 2014 or 2015 classes.

[mic]

He has yet to sign or get a commitment from a 4 star or top 100 recruit

Every UK recruit 2 years ago was a top 50 and they couldn't make the NCAA.. Just because he hasn't got a top 100 guy yet doesn't mean he is lazy.. And he has been here LESS than 2 years. He has 2 of the top 5 in the state this year..

[smootness]

I think Dante Scott has the potential to be far more than a role player.

And sure, his recruiting hasn't blown anyone away yet. How in the world does that mean he's lazy? That's stupid.

But the problem with this thread was taking Dawg61 seriously to begin with. I have yet to find anyone with a negative opinion of Ray who hasn't, over time, proven himself to be so over-the-top with his negative opinion that he didn't give himself away as just being anti-Ray from the beginning.

No one who is legitimately going to give Ray a fair shake has made up his mind yet.

[Coach34]

He has yet to sign or get a commitment from a 4 star or top 100 recruit

That in no way means he is a "lazy recruiter"

[mic]

All role players no superstar in either the 2014 or 2015 classes.

How do you know they arent.??? Stands didn't even offer Summers at OM. He will prob get drafted in 2015.. He was a 3* from Mississippi..

[Irondawg]

Well ineffective and lazy are two different things. And even then we don't know if he can properly evaluate talent and just not bring them in (ineffective) or if he doesn't judge talent well (ineffecient).

Personally I thought Ready, which thusfar is really the only guy we can judge on, was going to provide a big boost. His highlights seemed to show some skill, but I haven't seen much of that thusfar. And he's had a number of injuries which make it tough to judge as well.

Bottom line is that we know we suck but we really I don't think have much of a clue on what we have or don't have other than he's not as lax with the team rules as many coaches probably are.

Next year will allow us to really start making some semi-valid judgements.

[fishwater99]

That in no way means he is a "lazy recruiter"

I agree, doesn't mean he is lazy and I don't think he is lazy. Ray is just not a good recruiter to date at MSU.

[DownwardDawg]

Ray seems to be the opposite of lazy.

[Dawg61]

He has 2 of the top 5 in the state this year..

Who are these two Mr. Wonderlic? Black plays in Florida. Wonder where Black ranks in Florida talent?

[maroonmania]

That in no way means he is a "lazy recruiter"

Well it would mean he is not an effective recruiter. In the end all that matters is the quality of player you sign, lazy recruiting or not.

[Coach34]

Well it would mean he is not an effective recruiter. In the end all that matters is the quality of player you sign, lazy recruiting or not.

He's put one recruiting class on the court. Hard to say what he is at this point- but it damn sure aint "lazy"

[mic]

Who are these two Mr. Wonderlic? Black plays in Florida. Wonder where Black ranks in Florida talent?

And I bet he has improved as a player since transferring to Im sure a much better school.. So yes I considered him a MS rated player in the top 5 since we he signed with us while he was still in MS..

Mr Wonderlic.??? Look if you want to go on the spirit or 24/7 and go back and forth with Dahatriggerman (most of you all know who he is) then go over there and let him have it.. Just don't post stuff that makes u seem like your 15. And my apologies to all you of you good 15yr old posters if you are on here.... No disrespect intended..

[Dawg61]

Look at the little details with Ray's recruiting to see the laziness. Troutman still doesn't have an offer from us. People want to discredit Troutman as a good enough player? Alright fine but WHO is Ray offering his 13th scholarship to? I'll hang up and listen.

Ray is lazy because he hasn't brought in immediate help when he needs it the most. Wasn't Colin Borchert placed at EMCC by Stansbury? Ray is about to get shitcanned and yet he still is on the slow molasses train to better your basketball program through years of suck and hustle. Where's the urgency to get immediate help? I haven't seen it since he showed up on campus yet he's quick to throw the ones Stansbury had out of his program.

[tcdog70]

he might be the hardest working Recruiter in the SEC. But if that is so, then it means He is the worst recruiter in The SEC. The Bottom Line is this--So Far His recruiting has nothing to hang His Hat ON. Ready, is that His claim to Fame. He might be better off in Claiming Lazy as opposed to Shitty.

[thf24]

All role players no superstar in either the 2014 or 2015 classes.

How do you define "superstar?" Stansbury only had a handful of players who could even come close to being called "superstars" in fifteen years, and you expect Ray to be recruiting them already? Besides, many of Stansbury's best players were either "role players" or lightly recruited.

I'm not trying to make this another Stansbury issue by the way, I'm just not extremely knowledgeable about MSU basketball before the late 90's and don't have much else to compare to.