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Originally Posted by
Maroonthirteen
Unfortunately we already are the Washington Generals for one game a year..... probably two this year.
I long for the Bama games of 80,81, 91,92, 94, 96-00. What fun heavy weight slug fest those were.
I loved those games. Even though we lost most of them we were so damn physical and fun to watch. When this leach experiment is over, I hope we go back to something similar to what Dan ran with much better play calling and recruiting.
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I think we all can agree that we should be thankful to be OG charter members of the SEC, however, we might need to worry if any of these "super conferences" think its a good idea to "trim fat" to make room for others. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't there have to be a majority vote among the schools to kick a school out of a conference? The issue there is money talks...
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We wont ever be kicked out of the SEC
They could however form a new conference of some sort
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Maroonthirteen
So.... what is the SEC next move to increase TV money above the B1G?
The only big fish out there, from a tv perspective is Notre Dame. Obviously they are aligned with the ACC for other sports and nobody for football. Will Notre Dame lose the USC rivalry with usc playing a B1G schedule?
If I'm the SEC, my next move is to go after ND. In the meantime, try to land Duke and UNC for basketball and academic reasons. Then go after Notre dame hard and mention the academic profile is being raised with Duke and UNC. I would think Duke and UNC would join the sec today if asked.
Miami and FSU are considerations. Especially Miami but I'm not familiar enough with that area of the country to know how many TV subscribers and ratings for Hurricane football. I think FSU and Clemson are in a tough spot. They can be interesting for matchup purposes but I don't think they bring in anymore TV for the SEC.
Other than those mentioned, I can't think of a school left worth poaching for the SEC.
Clemson and FSUs problem is that they have the GoR through 2036. I think the ACC was smart putting this in place to keep the conference together. It?s going to be tough for anyone to jump out of that conference because they essentially need to give app their revenue to the conference
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
They could however form a new conference of some sort
Yep! If college football continues to go unregulated and unchecked .... I see the big blue bloods rearranging the whole thing with new conferences to get more tv money.
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Originally Posted by
coachnorm
Washington, Oregon, Utah and Colorado get cold during the winter. That is 6 of 12 in the conference? USC has played games in the ice and snow in the past?
USC also plays every other year in South Bend, Indiana.
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Originally Posted by
Maroonthirteen
Yep! If college football continues to go unregulated and unchecked .... I see the big blue bloods rearranging the whole thing with new conferences to get more tv money.
Maybe it's already started behind the scenes. I see two super conferences, with 20 teams each, with promotion and relegation just like the Premier League. The power structure will buy its way in and then take over. Check out the links?
https://geniussports.com/
https://investors.geniussports.com/n...5/default.aspx
https://geniussports.com/customer-st...ith-livestats/
Last edited by coachnorm; 07-01-2022 at 03:15 PM.
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The big question- is the sec in works to add two more teams and this hasn't surfaced yet. I know they were voting on how the future schedule would be laid out but did the vote to not do pods push this possibly even further to becoming true?
And if so which two teams could it be?
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Originally Posted by
TheLostDawg
The big question- is the sec in works to add two more teams and this hasn't surfaced yet. I know they were voting on how the future schedule would be laid out but did the vote to not do pods push this possibly even further to becoming true?
And if so which two teams could it be?
The new college football competition will be driven by Fox for the BIG and ESPN for SEC. The on field competition will be relegated behind the Fox - ESPN money grab competition. The ESPN footprint come first and the SEC preferences will be second in the near future. ESPN can not let Fox get the Charlotte NC footprint on the new borders of the college football map. Charlotte has stronger NIL capabilities than most SEC town or cities? NIL will dictate the quality of future teams so the North Carolina of today will be better in the future, Miami should be safe, because of geography, for ESPN's new super league which it will eventually own? ESPN might dictate that a specific monetary footprint be established and specific teams accommodate their mandate. Once the money is exchanged to the SEC, it will be subservient to its monetary overlord?
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Originally Posted by
coachnorm
I would love to see that in pro sports, but there's no way in Hell Mississippi State (or about half of the Big 10/SEC schools really) should even consider agreeing to that. And for that matter, why would schools like Florida, Auburn, Texas, or Notre Dame (all of whom would be been relegated in the last decade) agree to it either?
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
I would love to see that in pro sports, but there's no way in Hell Mississippi State (or about half of the Big 10/SEC schools really) should even consider agreeing to that. And for that matter, why would schools like Florida, Auburn, Texas, or Notre Dame (all of whom would be been relegated in the last decade) agree to it either?
We've done pretty good in this 15 year relegation sim that SB Nation did for a while
http://https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/6/6/15724156/college-football-relegation-promotion-simulation
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
I would love to see that in pro sports, but there's no way in Hell Mississippi State (or about half of the Big 10/SEC schools really) should even consider agreeing to that. And for that matter, why would schools like Florida, Auburn, Texas, or Notre Dame (all of whom would be been relegated in the last decade) agree to it either?
I understand what you are getting at but big money networks will eventually seize control from both the SEC and the BIG. The money monster that is evolving will eventually demand ROI, as it sees it, and get it. The money monster will dictate who is relegated because it will seize power to do it. Relegation protect the quality of the investment? There is a reason why I put in the attachments for observation. BTW, I do not like this scenario but I see it coming.
Last edited by coachnorm; 07-01-2022 at 10:53 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg2003
So is the PAC 12 going to eventually disband?
All the conferences as we know them now will dissappear. There will be no SEC, no BIG whatever, no PAC or ACC. Once realignment is complete, in however many years, new leagues will form along with new names. It's about the mighty dollar and who is worth what; that will dictate who will be washing, and who will be hanging out. I think some programs precluded from this deal will eventually shutdown, because there won't be any real options on the table for them, unless those institutions can band together and come up with something innovative in the way of ideas and get necessary support for it. You can bet the blueprint for this whole plan is laid out, and outlined in periodic stages. This is going to be chaos for the fans.
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Originally Posted by
Bothrops
All the conferences as we know them now will dissappear. There will be no SEC, no BIG whatever, no PAC or ACC. Once realignment is complete, in however many years, new leagues will form along with new names. It's about the mighty dollar and who is worth what; that will dictate who will be washing, and who will be hanging out. I think some programs precluded from this deal will eventually shutdown, because there won't be any real options on the table for them, unless those institutions can band together and come up with something innovative in the way of ideas and get necessary support for it. You can bet the blueprint for this whole plan is laid out, and outlined in periodic stages. This is going to be chaos for the fans.
The thing that makes money is the viewers. If they go too far then it's basically another professional league which I agree that it is on its way to becoming. However they can't go too far because they'll lose a lot of viewers. No one wants another NFL. They want college sports. When they get too far from being about each college, no one will care. There is a reason why it's not more than 32 NFL teams. If places like state gets left out, they lose their Mississippi audience. It'll be like Montana where they aren't going to pay extra to upgrade for one extra channel.
A 72 team league I can see with another smaller league. Somewhat like d1 d2. That being said they are going to need at least one college in each state.
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How would yall feel if they put 40 state schools in one division and the rest in another then the top school in each division play each other for the championship? Like afc nfc.
With one cross division game
Last edited by TheLostDawg; 07-02-2022 at 07:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by
TheLostDawg
How would yall feel if they put 40 state schools in one division and the rest in another then the top school in each division play each other for the championship? Like afc nfc.
With one cross division game
Who do you think "THEY" are? It's going to be the Fox assets versus the ESPN assets for corporate profits. The idea of 40 "STATE" schools in one division is a non starter in the eyes of the new overlords. It's just like you stated, SEC new name is ESPN, the AFC, and BIG is NFC new name is Fox. As the python squeezes, it will determine who is going to be in "THEIR" newly acquired game.
Last edited by coachnorm; 07-02-2022 at 09:58 PM.
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Originally Posted by
coachnorm
Who do you think "THEY" are? It's going to be the Fox assets versus the ESPN assets for corporate profits. The idea of 40 "STATE" schools in one division is a non starter in the eyes of the new overlords. It's just like you stated, SEC new name is ESPN, the AFC, and BIG is NFC new name is Fox. As the python squeezes, it will determine who is going to be in "THEIR" newly acquired game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LiAToQ_q_0
Josh Pate indicated that the Power 2 will only add a few more programs into their product. That is why I believe that the end game will be 20 in the former SEC now Disney/ESPN and 20 in the former BIG now FOX. Josh indicated the network demands of a quality product which in my mind smells of relegation. If a program fails to meet the quality mandate it probably will be served with documentation of non compliance. That document will be public and some outside of the Power 2 will start making a presentation on why they should be considered to be the new replacement. From a basketball comparison think of the Power 2 as the NCAAs and the others as NIT.
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Will the new conferences only be for football? What will happen to basketball and all of the non-revenue sports?
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Originally Posted by
Dawg2003
Will the new conferences only be for football? What will happen to basketball and all of the non-revenue sports?
The boardrooms of Disney/ESPN and Fox will establish value as they see it and issue corporate directives? The SEC and the BIG will accommodate their new overlords. Non revenue sports in a revenue making environment look threatened to me
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