Baseball Tranfers

[basedog]

For years I have read and heard Msu fans saying, "we can't compete", bull crap, we have improved over the decades it isn't even close to not competing. Yes ups and downs but we are still in the top overall conference in America and there isn't any other conference close, so we are and will be in competition for the future. Some of you guys act like 120 football programs have way more than us, not true, same with basketball......cough cough our weakest sport and baseball. We will be fine in baseball, yes it was a crappy year but it ain't our first one either.

[Commercecomet24]

Does that mean we can count on them to make it to Dudy Noble or that they are extremely high draft risks with virtually no shot of stepping foot on campus? If it's the latter, that's poor planning so I'm hoping for the first option.

Lemonis has always recruited elite players everywhere he's been. Heck he built the Louisville roster that went to the cws. He's continuing to recruit elite players. Yeah all won't make it to campus because if your recruit potential first and second round picks you will definitely lose some to the draft. It's just the way baseball is and we have some dang good players committed in the next few classes already.

[Goldendawg]

I base it off lack of development, lack of urgency, lack in game adjustment, and what seems like complacency.
Now if you refute those statements I'll be glad to hear those out

In today's what have you done for me lately world, dropping from National Champs to last in the SEC West in one year is really hard to understand. Here's to a very much better 2023.

[BrunswickDawg]

In today's what have you done for me lately world, dropping from National Champs to last in the SEC West in one year is really hard to understand. Here's to a very much better 2023.

It?s not hard to understand. We lost our entire weekend rotation from ?21, then lost Sims, Simmons, Hunt, and others which thinned out pitching. Add to it that the ?20 class pitchers had zero development time in ?21 because we carried 25 pitchers on the expanded COVID roster and you have a mess. And in spite of that we were still in the hunt coming out of the Ole Miss series. We ran out of bullpen gas kind of like our women?s basketball team that only had 6 players did. Oh, and we play in the deepest division in the toughest conference in college baseball which had 3 teams in the CWS this year.

We need to do better, but it?s not hard to map out what happened. It?s actually not very different then what happened to Auburn and A&M last year. Once a team shows a weakness, the knives come out and the bloodbath begins. And where did both of those last place teams wind up this year?

[Offshore Dawg]

We are going after more big fish way more and committing more. Some we will lose. Some we will keep. Can't get them if you can get them to sign w you in the first place.

So, who have we gotten this year ??

[Bothrops]

Who have we brought on board, in say......the last 7 days?

[Dawgfan77]

Our biggest rival trotting out freshman pitchers in the CWS... while our freshman transfer out.. some fans want to be loyal to a fault with lemonis, but where is our development?

[AlSwearengen]

Our biggest rival trotting out freshman pitchers in the CWS... while our freshman transfer out.. some fans want to be loyal to a fault with lemonis, but where is our development?

I’m not defending any coaches here, just pointing out for the umpteen millionth time that the last couple of classes, which were recruited mostly during the constant coaching turnover, weren’t loaded with top tier talent. You can develop kids all day long but if their bat speed doesn’t equate to hitting 94 mph fastballs, they are going to struggle against SEC pitching.

Now, if Tepper and a couple others who have left, go someplace and start mowing down SEC hitters, we will know there is a problem. Same with the hitters.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I’m not defending any coaches here, just pointing out for the umpteen millionth time that the last couple of classes, which were recruited mostly during the constant coaching turnover, weren’t loaded with top tier talent. You can develop kids all day long but if their bat speed doesn’t equate to hitting 94 mph fastballs, they are going to struggle against SEC pitching.

Now, if Tepper and a couple others who have left, go someplace and start mowing down SEC hitters, we will know there is a problem. Same with the hitters.

People will eventually realize that Foxhall is a terrible pitching coach and an even worse developer of pitchers. Skelton called his own games in 19, which is why we were as good as we were that year and we were honestly just good in spite of him last year. Not hard to say 17 it put in Landon.

[Todd4State]

People will eventually realize that Foxhall is a terrible pitching coach and an even worse developer of pitchers. Skelton called his own games in 19, which is why we were as good as we were that year and we were honestly just good in spite of him last year. Not hard to say 17 it put in Landon.

Unfortunately it's going to take another year for our fans to figure this out.

That is assuming they don't blame Gautreau for the offense not scoring 10 runs a game again.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Unfortunately it's going to take another year for our fans to figure this out.

That is assuming they don't blame Gautreau for the offense not scoring 10 runs a game again.

MSU just finds ways to destroy prosperity. Whether the fans blame or can ID Foxhall as the reason for this disaster matters little. He's the coach next year. After being the coach for last 4 seasons. Now we just need Ole Miss to make all the same mistakes like keep all their bad players, totally avoid and ignore the portal, pin their future hopes on a class of fake-as-hell commitments in 2025, and then have a summer of parades.

[The Federalist Engineer]

So, who have we gotten this year ??

We are all waiting for the "elite" recruiting to kick in.

As of right now, this is looking like a dead-last in the SEC team again.

[Quaoarsking]

I'm guessing we're not getting McCants anymore?

[msstate7]

We are all waiting for the "elite" recruiting to kick in.

As of right now, this is looking like a dead-last in the SEC team again.

Coming from you, this is concerning. You seem to be a pretty optimistic guy

[WinningIsRelentless]

Unfortunately it's going to take another year for our fans to figure this out.

That is assuming they don't blame Gautreau for the offense not scoring 10 runs a game again.

Based on what facts do you come up with he?s a bad coach?

[maroonmania]

Unfortunately it's going to take another year for our fans to figure this out.

That is assuming they don't blame Gautreau for the offense not scoring 10 runs a game again.

I'm not really worried about our fans. What I am worried about is Lemonis if Foxhall is really not what we need as a pitching coach and Lemonis can't recognize it. We are paying right at the highest in the country for our assistants so we shouldn't be paying that for someone who isn't among the very elite in the area they coach. If we don't have some of the very best assistants in the country that is a big Lemonis issue.

[WinningIsRelentless]

I'm not really worried about our fans. What I am worried about is Lemonis if Foxhall is really not what we need as a pitching coach and Lemonis can't recognize it. We are paying right at the highest in the country for our assistants so we shouldn't be paying that for someone who isn't among the very elite in the area they coach. If we don't have some of the very best assistants in the country that is a big Lemonis issue.

Do you think Cohen being a baseball guy himself would have agreed to the raise if he didn?t think Foxhall was good? You have two successful head coaches making the decision he is good.

[Todd4State]

Based on what facts do you come up with he?s a bad coach?

1. Too many arm injuries. Could be an outlier. Could be issues with our strength and conditioning. Which yes isn't totally on him.

2. Too many pitchers that have no clue where the strike zone is. Our pitchers mechanics are awful. Just all over the place with no consistency. See Fristoe.

3. Questionable pitching decisions. Tried to "save" pitchers and then would end up not even throwing them. Putting guys in bad positions causing them to fail hurting their confidence. Putting guys who repeatedly fail on the mound while others who fail one time sit forever. Pitching our shortstop unnecessarily.

4. Predictable pitch call selection.

5. Didn't get any LHP out of the portal when he knew we only had one veteran LHP on the roster.

[WinningIsRelentless]

1. Too many arm injuries. Could be an outlier. Could be issues with our strength and conditioning. Which yes isn't totally on him.

2. Too many pitchers that have no clue where the strike zone is. Our pitchers mechanics are awful. Just all over the place with no consistency. See Fristoe.

3. Questionable pitching decisions. Tried to "save" pitchers and then would end up not even throwing them. Putting guys in bad positions causing them to fail hurting their confidence. Putting guys who repeatedly fail on the mound while others who fail one time sit forever. Pitching our shortstop unnecessarily.

4. Predictable pitch call selection.

5. Didn't get any LHP out of the portal when he knew we only had one veteran LHP on the roster.

1) Arm issues are going to happen especially considering how many games these kids play even before arriving on campus. Could some of it be Foxhall of course but he wasn?t an issue till this year.

2) Mechanics has very little to do with control and more to do with velo. Focus has more to do with control. See Fristoe. Great one inning horrible the next.

3) Lemo makes the final decisions so wouldn?t this be on him?

4) Maybe or maybe not. When you have limited pitchers and pitchers who struggle at times you are going to become predictable. You are always going to try to get ahead in the count and if you don?t have pitchers who are comfortable with anything other than one pitch at that time you are going to call it.

5) That?s on Lemo as much as it is Foxhall again

[Coach34]

Foxhall came to State with a rep as one of the best out there. This was the opinion at the time. Nobody can say that he did a good job in 2022. You simply cant.

So that means we need to something in 2023 that's positive. It's that simple

As far as pitching management- thats been questionable since Lemon/Fox got to campus. Not sure who has the final call but it's most likely Lemon. However, I cant imagine Fox saying let's pull him and Lemon saying let him go another happening too often.