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06-25-2022, 08:04 AM
#301
Originally Posted by
Activated Alpha
Look if Lemonis can?t sell our program after we just won the Natty and keep recruiting at an elite level then it won?t last long here after multiple losing seasons
Lemonis inherited alphas that won. He is not an elite recruiter and he is not an elite coach. Happy we won the National championship last year but we zero momentum and couldn't build on that. As long as Lemonis is here we won't win anything else.
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06-25-2022, 08:16 AM
#302
Originally Posted by
Saltydog
It's a concern but player development or lack thereof and poor player evaluation are just as concerning if not more....
We are no longer in the player development time of college athletics with the transfer portal. You either produce or move on.
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06-25-2022, 08:16 AM
#303
Originally Posted by
Dawgfan77
Lemonis inherited alphas that won. He is not an elite recruiter and he is not an elite coach. Happy we won the National championship last year but we zero momentum and couldn't build on that. As long as Lemonis is here we won't win anything else.
This may be the dumbest shit I have ever read on here and that’s saying something…
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06-25-2022, 08:32 AM
#304
Originally Posted by
WinningIsRelentless
We are no longer in the player development time of college athletics with the transfer portal. You either produce or move on.
Not true. You'll never have a full team of transfers unless you have a coaching change. The people that keep saying this are wrong. TN and AU took transfers that were nothing special last year and turned them into top SEC players at their positions. There's always going to be development. We aren't going to stop recruiting HS players either. But now it'll include some polishing more than full development. I'd say Yeager developed/polished up his skills this year.
People comparing us to LSU are comparing apples to oranges too. They've got more available spots than us and can toss out more offers. And we weren't taking White when we've already got a big hitting 1B. White had demands to play and not just hit.
I'm not completely happy with things, but it's not like we're sucking at recruiting.
Last edited by Cooterpoot; 06-25-2022 at 08:40 AM.
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06-25-2022, 09:17 AM
#305
Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Not true. You'll never have a full team of transfers unless you have a coaching change. The people that keep saying this are wrong. TN and AU took transfers that were nothing special last year and turned them into top SEC players at their positions. There's always going to be development. We aren't going to stop recruiting HS players either. But now it'll include some polishing more than full development. I'd say Yeager developed/polished up his skills this year.
People comparing us to LSU are comparing apples to oranges too. They've got more available spots than us and can toss out more offers. And we weren't taking White when we've already got a big hitting 1B. White had demands to play and not just hit.
I'm not completely happy with things, but it's not like we're sucking at recruiting.
To add- and lsu has WAY more nil money than we do. And it's not close. What they spent on Tommy is way out of our league. Not saying we would have gotten him, but it was a non starter. Also your point about development is important. Everyone wants to bash us for not taking Sonny D last year. We shouldn't have. He was a 271 hitter w one year left. We already had a first baseman that had put up similar numbers to him. He just blew up. Good for him.
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06-25-2022, 09:20 AM
#306
Originally Posted by
Dawgfan77
Lemonis inherited alphas that won. He is not an elite recruiter and he is not an elite coach. Happy we won the National championship last year but we zero momentum and couldn't build on that. As long as Lemonis is here we won't win anything else.
I love how you base that off of one season. One, in which, we lost the best pitcher in the country and 4 more arms. But you have the right to make that assumption...
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06-25-2022, 09:28 AM
#307
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I love how you base that off of one season. One, in which, we lost the best pitcher in the country and 4 more arms. But you have the right to make that assumption...
What bothers me was the issues and high eras of the pitching staff that weren't injured. One save in the SEC, I read?
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06-25-2022, 09:29 AM
#308
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
To add- and lsu has WAY more nil money than we do. And it's not close. What they spent on Tommy is way out of our league. Not saying we would have gotten him, but it was a non starter. Also your point about development is important. Everyone wants to bash us for not taking Sonny D last year. We shouldn't have. He was a 271 hitter w one year left. We already had a first baseman that had put up similar numbers to him. He just blew up. Good for him.
Yep. And LSU has always had more money. It's not like that's really new. Just like Vandy has. A kid with a good ACT score can go to LSU and get $75K JUST in scholarship money. Then they simply toss in the NIL money and they're up there.
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06-25-2022, 09:34 AM
#309
Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
What bothers me was the issues and high eras of the pitching staff that weren't injured. One save in the SEC, I read?
While I can't argue with it some, most even, didn't make strides. Course we were having to put the same guys out there game after game one injury caused a major domino.
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06-25-2022, 09:35 AM
#310
Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
What bothers me was the issues and high eras of the pitching staff that weren't injured. One save in the SEC, I read?
Well, relievers had to start and a couple kids haven't developed. We lost one guy that could close and the other moved to the rotation. Everybody knows I'm no Foxhall fan, but it's not 100% on him either. We literally ran out of arms.
Look how many games we lost late. We just didn't have the arms. That's what has to be addressed this time in the portal.
We've got somethings lined up but the draft has to fall our way or I'm afraid we're going to have issues again.
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06-25-2022, 09:48 AM
#311
Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Well, relievers had to start and a couple kids haven't developed. We lost one guy that could close and the other moved to the rotation. Everybody knows I'm no Foxhall fan, but it's not 100% on him either. We literally ran out of arms.
Look how many games we lost late. We just didn't have the arms. That's what has to be addressed this time in the portal.
We've got somethings lined up but the draft has to fall our way or I'm afraid we're going to have issues again.
Pretty spot on.
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06-25-2022, 10:57 AM
#312
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
To add- and lsu has WAY more nil money than we do. And it's not close. What they spent on Tommy is way out of our league. Not saying we would have gotten him, but it was a non starter. Also your point about development is important. Everyone wants to bash us for not taking Sonny D last year. We shouldn't have. He was a 271 hitter w one year left. We already had a first baseman that had put up similar numbers to him. He just blew up. Good for him.
Since you know, how much did LSU pay for him and how much NIL money do we have?
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06-25-2022, 11:02 AM
#313
Originally Posted by
Mjoelner34
Since you know, how much did LSU pay for him and how much NIL money do we have?
200 is the word and they have a mil for baseball alone. .... the latter question I don't know the exact answer of what our nil baseball budget is, but it's not 200k for one position player.
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06-25-2022, 11:16 AM
#314
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
200 is the word and they have a mil for baseball alone. .... the latter question I don't know the exact answer of what our nil baseball budget is, but it's not 200k for one position player.
Thanks. Hoping Charlie Winfield's plan can at least close the baseball gap. There's no use even trying in football or basketball in my opinion. We will never be an NIL drop in the bucket in those two sports.
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06-25-2022, 11:17 AM
#315
Originally Posted by
Mjoelner34
Thanks. Hoping Charlie Winfield's plan can at least close the baseball gap. There's no use even trying in football or basketball in my opinion. We will never be an NIL drop in the bucket in those two sports.
Charlie is doing a great job and doing all he can....
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06-25-2022, 11:24 AM
#316
Originally Posted by
ZedFedder
Lemonis?s classes in the 23-25 classes are really solid. That 25 class already has 2 top 10 guys. He can recruit. I just don?t see why we haven?t reeled in some bigger fish, but I will be patient.
Does that mean we can count on them to make it to Dudy Noble or that they are extremely high draft risks with virtually no shot of stepping foot on campus? If it's the latter, that's poor planning so I'm hoping for the first option.
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06-25-2022, 11:42 AM
#317
Originally Posted by
WSOPdawg
Does that mean we can count on them to make it to Dudy Noble or that they are extremely high draft risks with virtually no shot of stepping foot on campus? If it's the latter, that's poor planning so I'm hoping for the first option.
We are going after more big fish way more and committing more. Some we will lose. Some we will keep. Can't get them if you can get them to sign w you in the first place.
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06-25-2022, 11:42 AM
#318
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I love how you base that off of one season. One, in which, we lost the best pitcher in the country and 4 more arms. But you have the right to make that assumption...
I base it off lack of development, lack of urgency, lack in game adjustment, and what seems like complacency.
Now if you refute those statements I'll be glad to hear those out
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06-25-2022, 11:45 AM
#319
Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Not true. You'll never have a full team of transfers unless you have a coaching change. The people that keep saying this are wrong. TN and AU took transfers that were nothing special last year and turned them into top SEC players at their positions. There's always going to be development. We aren't going to stop recruiting HS players either. But now it'll include some polishing more than full development. I'd say Yeager developed/polished up his skills this year.
People comparing us to LSU are comparing apples to oranges too. They've got more available spots than us and can toss out more offers. And we weren't taking White when we've already got a big hitting 1B. White had demands to play and not just hit.
I'm not completely happy with things, but it's not like we're sucking at recruiting.
Nailed it.
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06-25-2022, 11:50 AM
#320
Originally Posted by
Dawgfan77
I base it off lack of development, lack of urgency, lack in game adjustment, and what seems like complacency.
Now if you refute those statements I'll be glad to hear those out
How can you tell about urgency or complacency??? As for development, pretty much every hitter got better. Maybe not the amount fans or coaches wanted but they all improved to a degree.
Last edited by Homedawg; 06-25-2022 at 11:57 AM.
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