Question

[BoomBoom]

I wont even respond to any of these, I am just curious. Here it is: Reading another thread on this board lately made me want to ask, why are some of you so negative and apathetic towards the program? Then, why are some of you so anti Leach? Just an honest question.

Also, for the ones that are pro Leach, why are you? And before some of yall say I am not negative I am just being honest, please dont.

I'll focus just on the GameDay experience. If you're not moving forward, you're falling behind. And we're not moving forward, not nearly enough anyway. Ticketing, entrance, concessions, entertainment, environment are all cluster****s. The AD has been giving the finger to the fans for years, thus the negativity.

[Kylesandi338]

I am all about voicing concerns and venting. But half of this board would like to see our programs fail just so they can boast their chest , just so they can say "I TOLD YOU SO." I enjoy this board but we have the most negative doomsday posters ever. They must live a miserable existence with the hatred towards coaching and JC. Criticism is a good thing and giving credit is also important when warranted. But the hatred is just wrong. there have been many coaches I dont like, but still gonna pull for MSU and not going to lose sleep over it hating a coach. JMO

[Hot Rock]

I'll focus just on the GameDay experience. If you're not moving forward, you're falling behind. And we're not moving forward, not nearly enough anyway. Ticketing, entrance, concessions, entertainment, environment are all cluster****s. The AD has been giving the finger to the fans for years, thus the negativity.

We are coming out of a pandemic and everyone's game day experience has mostly sucked. Hopefully, things change and winning changes things faster than any game day plan by an AD.

[FISHDAWG]

I'll focus just on the GameDay experience. If you're not moving forward, you're falling behind. And we're not moving forward, not nearly enough anyway. Ticketing, entrance, concessions, entertainment, environment are all cluster****s. The AD has been giving the finger to the fans for years, thus the negativity.

I wasn't aware .... we have always been in control or "made" our own gameday experience at our tailgate and it's worked out pretty good ...
1) tickets - I usually have in advance
2) entrance - I don't see a big problem here that most stadiums don't have as well
3) concessions - those were at the tailgate ... I only need water or my private flask
4) entertainment - we usually watch other games on tv or radio
5) environment - I don't understand the issue here - I love just being there with the other fans
I must be really easy to satisfy

[BrunswickDawg]

I'll focus just on the GameDay experience. If you're not moving forward, you're falling behind. And we're not moving forward, not nearly enough anyway. Ticketing, entrance, concessions, entertainment, environment are all cluster****s. The AD has been giving the finger to the fans for years, thus the negativity.

Almost all of those things are a cluster at most college and some pro venues. Our entrance to DWS is a breeze compared to Athens, Gainesville, and the Worlds Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party in Jacksonville. Concessions in Athens are almost non-existent because you wait in line an entire quarter to get food, in what amounts to a space 1/4 of the size of our concourse area, in a stadium that smelled of piss BEFORE they started serving beer because the bathrooms haven't worked in 2 decades. Every football stadium I've been in for the past 3 decades has played music obnoxiously loud, has ridiculous commercials and contests, and really doesn't let you focus on the game or be able to have a conversation with the people around you. And if you think getting out of our parking is bad - it's bad everywhere. In fact, I think we have closer parking then most venues I've been to - except Jacksonville - and getting out of there is so bad, you need to tailgate again after the game. Not to mention how terrible most of the rent-a-staff is at all these venues are now. Gone are the days where the University or venue hired staff, they showed up, they knew the venue, and you knew their names because they were there every game. Nope, its all daily rent-a-staff that is clueless.

[Catfish]

I am all about voicing concerns and venting. But half of this board would like to see our programs fail just so they can boast their chest , just so they can say "I TOLD YOU SO." I enjoy this board but we have the most negative doomsday posters ever. They must live a miserable existence with the hatred towards coaching and JC. Criticism is a good thing and giving credit is also important when warranted. But the hatred is just wrong. there have been many coaches I dont like, but still gonna pull for MSU and not going to lose sleep over it hating a coach. JMO

Rep!

[Maroonthirteen]

Leach may very well win 6-7 a year and jump up now and then. He better! Because the "3rd yard and a cloud of dust" has averaged 6-7 wins for 20 of the last 30 years. (I just want to point out what a lie "we ain't never won running" is) And a good portion of those losing 10 years are on a guy trying to install an nfl offense.

As to why there isn't more excitement..... Leach is boring. He hasn't breathed any new life into the program. He is a dressed down Howland to me. However Leach doesn't recruit as well as Howland.

With that said, get pissed. Don't care. I'll be there. So my frustration lies in that I am there and I want to win or he'll play close. I can tell ya 91 92,94, 96-2000, 15 and 17 were a much more entertaining game than 2021.

[HancockCountyDog]

Leach wasn't my first choice, but he definitely is a big name.

My biggest concern when we hired him is that smart DC's have figured out his offense. I also was concerned that he was hard headed and wouldn't adapt his offense as other teams have done that use a bunch of air raid concepts.

I just wish he would incorporate more read option run game into our offense. Good DC's won't play man against us except to throw the occasional curve ball. We struggle to score in the red zone and we struggle in 3rd and 2 or less. Those are frustrating parts of the Leach offense. I'm not sure that is being critical or simply observant.

Now, I don't get the criticism of Will at all. The kid is running the offense exactly how Leach wants it run. Complaining about his play is like being pissed at a chef for how your steak tastes when you ask for it well done. Can he do some things better? Sure, but he is not the problem by any stretch of the imagination; If you can't give Will a competent run game, he is going to have good and bad games. That is just how it is with this offense.

Bottom line is that Leach is 11-13 at MSU. He is 7-11 in the SEC and 0-2 against the confederates with a schedule where we replace Vandy with Georgia. Also, for all the talk about how we would have won two more games with a kicker, no one talks about how we lose to La Tech if they had a kicker.

I'm not anti-Leach, I'm pro-MSU. I'm not going to look past a coach's faults because I like his twitter account or his interviews (which are great). If he goes 7-5 this year with an egg bowl loss, I'm not sure what another year does.

[Dawgbite]

See, I'm the opposite on the AD. I hate nepotism and that's exactly how we got Cohen. Our best AD by miles was Byrne. He changed the culture n his short term here. He put more into marketing, he hit on a great football coach. Since then, it's been State guys and they suck IMO. Stricklin was better than Cohen but that traitor 17r used us too. Go hire the best damn people available. Stop being short-sighted and limiting s to the "good ole boy" system that held State back for years. You need some State folks, but not a full crew of them.

I agree with you 100% on the AD hire. Cohen was a lazy hire. Byrne and Strickland were both better at building the brand. I'm more referring to the employees in the BDC and AD that interact with us peons.

[RiverCityDawg]

I wont even respond to any of these, I am just curious. Here it is: Reading another thread on this board lately made me want to ask, why are some of you so negative and apathetic towards the program? Then, why are some of you so anti Leach? Just an honest question.

Also, for the ones that are pro Leach, why are you? And before some of yall say I am not negative I am just being honest, please dont.

I'm pleased with the progress from year 1 to year 2, but I want to see another jump this year. I'm convinced State is ALWAYS going to recruit in the bottom half of our league, so trying to do the same thing as everyone else with less talent and thinking we can consistently be competitive that way is utterly stupid. For that reason I like that we are trying something completely different. I think we have to.

I think a lot of our fans haven't accepted that we are always going to have less talent and aren't ever going to be the first or second choice for great head coaches. Leach has proven he can consistently win at tough places with less talent, so I'm hopefully he can do it here too. I think we need to see another step forward to make fans see we're on the right track.

[Jarius]

We are coming out of a pandemic and everyone's game day experience has mostly sucked. Hopefully, things change and winning changes things faster than any game day plan by an AD.

I went to 10 of our 12 games last year. I will say that Auburn was the absolute worst game day experience I have ever had with concessions. It was beyond ridiculous. Texas A&M should be the blueprint for all to follow (they have a shit ton of money so I guess that is part of it being so well run). Memphis was actually better than I expected. Arkansas was not bad either. I don't totally buy that the pandemic is a legit excuse for bad game day experience, but I also have never experienced the problems that some say they have at our home games.

[Jarius]

Leach wasn't my first choice, but he definitely is a big name.

My biggest concern when we hired him is that smart DC's have figured out his offense. I also was concerned that he was hard headed and wouldn't adapt his offense as other teams have done that use a bunch of air raid concepts.

I just wish he would incorporate more read option run game into our offense. Good DC's won't play man against us except to throw the occasional curve ball. We struggle to score in the red zone and we struggle in 3rd and 2 or less. Those are frustrating parts of the Leach offense. I'm not sure that is being critical or simply observant.

Now, I don't get the criticism of Will at all. The kid is running the offense exactly how Leach wants it run. Complaining about his play is like being pissed at a chef for how your steak tastes when you ask for it well done. Can he do some things better? Sure, but he is not the problem by any stretch of the imagination; If you can't give Will a competent run game, he is going to have good and bad games. That is just how it is with this offense.

Bottom line is that Leach is 11-13 at MSU. He is 7-11 in the SEC and 0-2 against the confederates with a schedule where we replace Vandy with Georgia. Also, for all the talk about how we would have won two more games with a kicker, no one talks about how we lose to La Tech if they had a kicker.

I'm not anti-Leach, I'm pro-MSU. I'm not going to look past a coach's faults because I like his twitter account or his interviews (which are great). If he goes 7-5 this year with an egg bowl loss, I'm not sure what another year does.

Using Leach's overall record as some sort of measuring stick as if that record should be compared to what is normally considered acceptable is pretty disingenuous. A 10 game All SEC schedule where we had a brand new coach without a spring to install an offense that went from 3 yards and a cloud of dust to throwing it 60 times a game is just not normal circumstances. Not to mention the amount of players that we were playing with due to covid and having to kick off cancers that were babied under Moorhead. Yes, OM had a similar situation. They also had been recruiting to an air raid type system on offense for most of the decade prior to Kiffin arriving and they also won 1 more whopping game than we did and went to the Outback bowl in year 1. A team that was 1 game below .500 in the regular season made what is normally reserved for an 8/9 win team. That sliding scale should be applied to us as well when talking about records.

[Coach34]

Haha- you guys are killing me with this "3 yards and a cloud of dust" BS. It's not like we were running the T and only had 3 passing plays until Leach got here.

In a typical practice pre-Leach our QB's probably threw at least 300 balls per day combined. That's alot of passes to catch for receivers. Then add machine catching drills and coaches throwing balls in others drills- worked on passing and catching quite a bit.

We throw and catch more under Leach I'm sure- but the biggest difference is in how the passing game is taught

[BrunswickDawg]

Haha- you guys are killing me with this "3 yards and a cloud of dust" BS. It's not like we were running the T and only had 3 passing plays until Leach got here.

In a typical practice pre-Leach our QB's probably threw at least 300 balls per day combined. That's alot of passes to catch for receivers. Then add machine catching drills and coaches throwing balls in others drills- worked on passing and catching quite a bit.

We throw and catch more under Leach I'm sure- but the biggest difference is in how the passing game is taught

In the same manner, don't act like we were some light it up thru the air modern offense either. You can make the argument that Mullen and Moorhead both ran the modern equivalent of the wishbone while at State - offenses that are run heavy and rely on a running QB to be effective. Hell, they ran so much their QB's our now #1 and #4 in rushing yards in school history (not to mention having the #1 SEC rushing QB in history)

[Jarius]

Haha- you guys are killing me with this "3 yards and a cloud of dust" BS. It's not like we were running the T and only had 3 passing plays until Leach got here.

In a typical practice pre-Leach our QB's probably threw at least 300 balls per day combined. That's alot of passes to catch for receivers. Then add machine catching drills and coaches throwing balls in others drills- worked on passing and catching quite a bit.

We throw and catch more under Leach I'm sure- but the biggest difference is in how the passing game is taught

We were 13th out of 14 sec teams in passing attempts in 2019. The only team with fewer literally played a wide receiver at quarterback for half the year. We were 1st in 2020 in passing attempts. We recruited players that broke the sec rushing record prior to Leach’s arrival. We switched to throwing the ball more than anyone in our league after recruiting those type athletes for a really long time.

[OLJWales]

I think the offense will work if you have a strong passer that can escape pressure.

Preach.

[Coach34]

In the same manner, don't act like we were some light it up thru the air modern offense either. You can make the argument that Mullen and Moorhead both ran the modern equivalent of the wishbone while at State - offenses that are run heavy and rely on a running QB to be effective. Hell, they ran so much their QB's our now #1 and #4 in rushing yards in school history (not to mention having the #1 SEC rushing QB in history)

Prescott is 2nd and Fitz is 3rd in career completions
Prescott is 1st and Fitz is 4th career passing yards at State- Fitz even had a 400 yard game passing
Prescott is 1st and Fitz is 2nd career passing TD's

So no- they didnt run the modern wishbone. They ran spread offenses with a mobile QB

[Hot Rock]

Leach may very well win 6-7 a year and jump up now and then. He better! Because the "3rd yard and a cloud of dust" has averaged 6-7 wins for 20 of the last 30 years. (I just want to point out what a lie "we ain't never won running" is) And a good portion of those losing 10 years are on a guy trying to install an nfl offense.

As to why there isn't more excitement..... Leach is boring. He hasn't breathed any new life into the program. He is a dressed down Howland to me. However Leach doesn't recruit as well as Howland.

With that said, get pissed. Don't care. I'll be there. So my frustration lies in that I am there and I want to win or he'll play close. I can tell ya 91 92,94, 96-2000, 15 and 17 were a much more entertaining game than 2021.

What part of not winning with a run first offense is a lie? How many SEC titles in your lifetime have you witnessed? I have never seen one and I was born in 1963. You may not like this style or it's boring but Mississippi State had way more boring offenses in the past to me. I remember so many 3 and outs for years that went 1st down run, 2nd down run and being 3rd & 8 with a an incompletion that I am sick of it. Will Leach ever get us a title? I don't know but at least it's trying something different.

[magrooder]

I did not want to hire Leach, so I guess I initially was anti Leach but, now that he's the Head Coach at MSU, I am very pro Leach. I want to win and I don't care who the coach is as long as we are winning. If Leach does not become a winner here, then I will be very anti Leach.

[RougeDawg]

I?ll add to my previous post. In yr 1 with no spring or summer prep, we looked as would be expected with a completely new offense and barely any personnel to run it. Not sure why this is so hard to input into one?s calculation of reality.

In year 2, we had 1.5 years of experience with it and a few more personnel to run it efficiently. And for the most part when it clicked we could go down the field. Only 2-3 teams really even got close to shutting us down. The drops and missed FGs were really the things shutting us down last year. Catch a few more against lsu and OM and we win both. They didn?t stop us. We stopped us by lack of experience and reps. Keep a healthy kicker and we beat Ark and at least one more.

Nothing other teams did outside of Bama shut us down. We shot ourselves in the foot in really all but one loss. If some can?t see this, I cannot help them. I rest my case. See and believe what you wish. I choose reality.

Eta. Last year really had 11 wins within the grasp. We didn’t execute. It wasn’t the opponents except Bama.