Imagine if a recruit were to read 6pack.......

[Goat Holder]

They are being pretty vicious, especially to Daryl Norris. I know all the party lines.....nobody cares about message boards, they should be mentally tougher, etc. But all that is bullshit. Nobody wants to read that crap about themselves or their son/cousin/dad/etc. Why do we eat our own in this fanbase? I mean the guy went out there and played baseball, he didn't purposely hurt MSU.

So, in the end, if you feel the need to say I'm being too sensitive, basically go f*ck yourself. Criticize Cohen all you want, but they are going a little far talking about how Norris should transfer and shit. Especially in the subject line of the post. Real MSU supporters should probably pull their hits/ads/whatever from that shit 'MSU' site. These message boards are free......ANYONE can read them. Remember that. It's not hard to find these things. A simple 'Mississippi State message board' google search yields it.

[Ronny]

...Daryl Norris has ever heard of sixpackspeak.com, much less ever read it.

I think we are safe in that regard.

But speaking of Norris specifically: I don't know the story on Norris, nor do I blame hiim for what happened.

Because for any coach to ask him to pitch in a situation that pressurized & critical is one of craziest things I have ever seen happen in a sporting event.

[msstate7]

Maybe a crazier situation was bringing ct into pitch when holder and girodo were available. When your coach makes 2 crazy pitching decisions against a good team, you lose

[engie]

Good questions here Goat.

They are being pretty vicious, especially to Daryl Norris. I know all the party lines.....nobody cares about message boards, they should be mentally tougher, etc. But all that is bullshit. Nobody wants to read that crap about themselves or their son/cousin/dad/etc. Why do we eat our own in this fanbase? I mean the guy went out there and played baseball, he didn't purposely hurt MSU.

Because SPS is the only large public "single team centric" board in the SEC that I'm aware of which allows open bashing of current players and recruits -- it's allowed practically nowhere else -- under the pretense that those players can(and probably do) read it. Go bash a recruit or say something stupid about a current player on Volnation, Hogville, etc...and see how long your IP lasts on those sites. Those sites, themselves, choose to control the perception. SPS gives them a safe haven with a large and public voice. That's because those sites are generally dedicated to actually HELPING the cause of the university. SPS ceased to exist in that capacity a long, long time ago -- maybe the beginning really.

So, in the end, if you feel the need to say I'm being too sensitive, basically go f*ck yourself. Criticize Cohen all you want, but they are going a little far talking about how Norris should transfer and shit.

Absolutely ridiculous. Agreed. Kid throws one bad pitch -- in a situation he should have NEVER been in -- and SPS labels him an eternal bust and asks for his transfer. That is exactly the type of overreaction that causes me to go full retard on these boards sometimes -- because let's face it -- I"m JUST as pissed about the outcome as anybody else already, and with a short fuse, I CAN NOT DEAL with the ridiculous overreaction of the idiots. I haven't been over there at all since the Bradford pitching decision last night for this very reason...

Especially in the subject line of the post. Real MSU supporters should probably pull their hits/ads/whatever from that shit 'MSU' site. These message boards are free......ANYONE can read them. Remember that. It's not hard to find these things. A simple 'Mississippi State message board' google search yields it.

Exactly. This is the point some of us have been trying to convey FOREVER in recruiting over there -- while being labeled as sunshine pumpers, etc. It's about putting your best foot forward -- and expecting ANYTHING you say about a potential recruit to be read by that recruit. It takes about 45 seconds to set up Google Notifications to where they get push messages every time their name is mentioned online -- and of course they are going to read what it says. And the "ohhh if they are going to get their feelings hurt, they shouldn't be at MSU" crowd are f'n stupid and shortsighted. Jason Croom's mom admitted to this -- there are as many as 4-5 prospective recruits parents' posting openly on Volnation at once -- but when it comes to MSU, these parents just don't care enough to do a "background check" on universities they could potentially send their children to?

Fact is this -- I went through the recruiting process on a much smaller scale than these football players are -- and I can honestly say, outside of an actual MSU offer that never came(I had a Polk2 "invited walk-on" -- which he was famous for cutting and leaving with no other options at Christmas), I didn't have a f'n clue what I wanted to do. Who do you, then, listen to? Coaches that can(and do) lie? Parents that support you but don't try to make a decision for you like mine did? What better way to get the "pulse" of potential fanbases than to see what they are writing about you online "behind your back"? Of course the coaches are lying to you -- people you meet that are recruiting are lying to you, etc. I can honestly say -- if I had been granted an online resource such as SPS where people were actually writing about me as a recruit, I would have been reading the shit out of it...

I'd argue that the TRUE "air" of a fanbase is MOST ACCURATELY represented online -- and this is where we absolutely hurt ourselves far more often than we help ourselves.

[engie]

...Daryl Norris has ever heard of sixpackspeak.com, much less ever read it.

I think we are safe in that regard.

So, you honestly believe practically all MSU fans know about SPS -- but none of the players? See the disconnect?

Now, hopefully he didn't get on there and go to reading last night -- but don't think for one second that word doesn't trickle back to him when people go full retard about him on there. There is literally one degree of separation between SPS and the players -- if that...

[maroonmania]

Cohen lost that game in the 8th inning, what happened with Norris was just a situation where a guy was put in with an SEC game on the line that hasn't pitched but maybe 2 innings all year. In the 8th we should have either let Bracewell have at least one more batter to see what would happen OR put Holder in immediately if you planned on using him at all last night. I consider Holder and Bracewell our 2 best pitchers right now and I just wish we had gone down last night with our best pitching on the mound. We HAD to hold the 3-2 lead, once they tied it up it all went in their favor. Yes, Holder made a wild pitch at the wrong time but if you get him in BEFORE a man has reached 3rd then the wild pitch isn't nearly as critical. I just wish our freakin' offense would get some dang runs on the board before the last couple of innings. Thursday night we only had one run before the 8th and last night we only had one run before the 7th. If we could get 3 or 4 runs on the board during the first half of the game it would take a LOT of pressure off of every pitching decision that is made. But back to Norris, once we were done pitching Bracewell, Girodo and Holder I think we all knew we were fighting an uphill battle last night so no reason to bash Norris.

[Coach34]

Things I know to be fact:

1. The athletic department monitors all the sites now
2. Most of the coaches read Sixpack (and Elitedawgs now)
3. Alot of the players read Sixpack- especially baseball.

I've gotten a call thru an intermediary before saying the athletic department requests that I no longer post about something. This person went on to say the department had a love/hate relationship with me. Loved some of my stuff- despised other things I did.

I've gotten emails from Meo Standsbury about my articles on M&W Nation requesting they be taken down.

Dawggeezer would indeed tell Stands what was being said on Sixpack- he wasnt kidding

So dont think for a minute those guys dont know what's being said

[bluelightstar]

Good questions here Goat.


Because SPS is the only large public "single team centric" board in the SEC that I'm aware of which allows open bashing of current players and recruits -- it's allowed practically nowhere else -- under the pretense that those players can(and probably do) read it. Go bash a recruit or say something stupid about a current player on Volnation, Hogville, etc...and see how long your IP lasts on those sites. Those sites, themselves, choose to control the perception. SPS gives them a safe haven with a large and public voice. That's because those sites are generally dedicated to actually HELPING the cause of the university. SPS ceased to exist in that capacity a long, long time ago -- maybe the beginning really.

Come on engie, I don't agree with it either, but VolNation, Hogville, Kentucky's Rivals site, etc., all go full retard on players several times a week. I know it's nice to act like it's some MSU-only thing that holds us back, but that's just not true. Now I will admit our volume is higher - because (1) we're a smaller fanbase, and (2) our fanbase is generally more naturally negative anyway.

[FFF]

Things I know to be fact:

1. The athletic department monitors all the sites now
2. Most of the coaches read Sixpack (and Elitedawgs now)
3. Alot of the players read Sixpack- especially baseball.

I've gotten a call thru an intermediary before saying the athletic department requests that I no longer post about something. This person went on to say the department had a love/hate relationship with me. Loved some of my stuff- despised other things I did.

I've gotten emails from Meo Standsbury about my articles on M&W Nation requesting they be taken down.

Dawggeezer would indeed tell Stands what was being said on Sixpack- he wasnt kidding

So dont think for a minute those guys dont know what's being said

I do my best to stay off the board during a game for this very reason... and if I post (I sometimes do...) I try to make it as factual as possible... for instance...

Hunter Renfroe strikes out at the plate with the bases loaded, 1 out in a crucial situation... I deem OK to say something like...
"Renfroe has left 13 runners on base now in the last 2 games..."

What I DON'T deem ok to say...
"Renfroe is GOD AWFUL in clutch situations!1!!1 He's Terrible!1!! He never comes through for us when it matters!111!!"

The problem is, most fans automatically emotionally melt down when something doesn't go their way. Many of us played sports growing up, some more than others. Good coaches teach their players to not respond emotionally to things that happen on the field (John Wooden preached this his entire career), and instead, dig in and do the absolute best you are capable of in every situation. That takes a mature person to handle that... Most of what you see during games are purely emotional outburst... read SP or ED (game thread, specifically) last night for a prime example... going into the 8th, we sucked... we were awful... fans were throwing in the towel on our season, but then, we rally and all the sudden we are unstoppable and on top of the world.

Most of our players I would think are smart enough and mature enough to not let the emotional bullshit get to them... good or bad. There are times where there is some healthy criticisms of our players/coaches on here... but most people have become so polarized, whenever something good/bad happens, immediately they go to an extreme... that's what I think we see much of during games...

- Criticism, I'm ok with... it better be mature and healthy criticism and not done in the middle of a game...
- Emotional bursts of "Norris should transfer" after he left his first pitch (a hanging breaking ball) up in the zone and a good hitter smashed the shit out of it (they had been laying off first pitches all night), completely immature and uncalled for. Norris also went on to get the next batter out.

[FFF]

Maybe a crazier situation was bringing ct into pitch when holder and girodo were available. When your coach makes 2 crazy pitching decisions against a good team, you lose

Cohen put in Cox Friday night for a matchup to get one batter out... and Cox was successful... I haven't heard anyone say that was a dumb move. Putting CT in was no different than Cox if you are going to make that argument. There were a few of those moves in the Alabama series, too.

Cohen did nothing last night he hasn't done all year.

[BeastMan]

I agree 100% with your distinction b/t the 2 types of post FFF. Nothing wrong with factual but personal attacks is another thing. There should be a tutorial on it. The stats speak for themselves anyway. For example: Kaleb Eulls has 2.5 sacks is 26 career starts. What else needs to be said? Nothing

[msstate7]

He put in a lesser pitcher and bc of that he had to put in a lesser cf. He got burned by doing both. If he was gonna bring in holder anyway, why not do it there? By bringing ct in he also burned our dh. That led to having to take girodo to lead off the 10th. That move was stupid, but if you like it that's your option

[Coach34]

Cox is not a dual position player- he is a pitcher
CT was brought in half warm at the most critical point of the game

It was a bad move- plain and simple. Especially when you know hosting a regional is predicated on you winning the series- go with your best

[Todd4State]

All I'll say is anyone that blames that loss on Daryl Norris needs to get their head out of their ass.

[msstate7]

He put in a lesser pitcher and bc of that he had to put in a lesser cf. He got burned by doing both. If he was gonna bring in holder anyway, why not do it there? By bringing ct in he also burned our dh. That led to having to take girodo to lead off the 10th. That move was stupid, but if you like it that's your option

And it wasn't hindsight. Read the game thread. I said it was bad move when he was bringing ct in

[msstate7]

All I'll say is anyone that blames that loss on Daryl Norris needs to get their head out of their ass.

I agree. It should've been over way before Norris pitched

[Will James]

Cohen put in Cox Friday night for a matchup to get one batter out... and Cox was successful... I haven't heard anyone say that was a dumb move. Putting CT in was no different than Cox if you are going to make that argument. There were a few of those moves in the Alabama series, too.

Cohen did nothing last night he hasn't done all year.

We were down 3 in the 7th inning when Cox went in Friday.

We were up 1 in the 8th with a runner on 1st when we put CT in.

No similarities.

[FFF]

He put in a lesser pitcher and bc of that he had to put in a lesser cf. He got burned by doing both. If he was gonna bring in holder anyway, why not do it there? By bringing ct in he also burned our dh. That led to having to take girodo to lead off the 10th. That move was stupid, but if you like it that's your option

I didn't said I liked it (I don't like the constant shuffling of pitchers for a matchup, anyway), but I'm not surprised because Cohen has done it many times this year already, and it has worked before. Also, we were playing NOT to have to play a 10th inning... Cohen knew that and Cohen did everything he could to keep from having to play a 10th inning... we got burned doing it, but SC is a solid ball club. We were a base hit/walk/HBP/WP/PB away from ending the game in the 9th, but we couldn't get it done.

[msstate7]

I didn't said I liked it (I don't like the constant shuffling of pitchers for a matchup, anyway), but I'm not surprised because Cohen has done it many times this year already, and it has worked before. Also, we were playing NOT to have to play a 10th inning... Cohen knew that and Cohen did everything he could to keep from having to play a 10th inning... we got burned doing it, but SC is a solid ball club. We were a base hit/walk/HBP/WP/PB away from ending the game in the 9th, but we couldn't get it done.

That I agree with. I really hate they hit pirtle to load up bases for rea. Pirtle would've given us a better at bat there

[FFF]

That I agree with. I really hate they hit pirtle to load up bases for rea. Pirtle would've given us a better at bat there

I have every reason to believe that was an intentional HBP, too.

Detz- Doubles... huge hit

Runner at 2, 2 outs

Renfroe - has been ice cold for 2 weeks now, but still is one of the conferences leading hitters... take the bat away from him and set up a force play in a key situation
BUT...
put him on base for a red-hot Pirtle (has had a hot bat now for a while... ) minimize potential damage and put him on base... don't let his bat beat you... pick a good spot in the count and hit him in the back

Then you have Rea... who has had some HR's, but doesn't pose the threat Pirtle or Renfroe do... go after him and take your chances with him.

Could be a theory, but out of Renfroe, Pirtle, or Rea, who would you rather pitch to and take your chances with with the game being on the line?