Honest Question about the offense

[TNDawg35]

So I honestly have a question about our offense. After watching several bowl games, I have noticed teams taking the top off the defense with their receivers, but notice we don?t hardly do it. As someone else mentioned, our WR seem to never get separation. Everytime they catch the ball, the defender is right there to make the tackle. How come we seem to never have WR running wide open in a busted coverage or what not?

On a side note, can Will make a long enough throw to take the top off. Can he honestly hit a wide open Polk running down the edge? I mean is it Will just not looking deep down field or is it honestly not there to look at?

[Pancho]

Will struggles with that aspect.

[Dak Holliday]

Will struggles with that aspect.

And we see a lot of Zone D.

[WhiskeyPirate]

The defense is able to keep everything in front of them and have a small 20 yard box to defend. This is because the q b can’t really throw beyond 20 yards. This is why a q b with a good arm who can attack down the field and can buy time in the pocket makes us so much more explosive. Will has to play almost perfect to win with 8-15 yard passes and he really has to have perfect o line play because he can’t sidestep a pass rush.

If you want to get to 9-10 wins, you have to get a grad transfer q b or hope Robertson/Locke mature in a hurry(they both are probably a year away).

[Cowbell]

The defense is able to keep everything in front of them and have a small 20 yard box to defend. This is because the q b can?t really throw beyond 20 yards. This is why a q b with a good arm who can attack down the field and can buy time in the pocket makes us so much more explosive. Will has to play almost perfect to win with 8-15 yard passes and he really has to have perfect o line play because he can?t sidestep a pass rush.

If you want to get to 9-10 wins, you have to get a grad transfer q b or hope Robertson/Locke mature in a hurry(they both are probably a year away).

This is not true. The reason we don't take the top off is because people are running 8 man zones and we can't keep them honest with the run game. Same thing the nfl is starting to see more of with 2 high safeties

[ShotgunDawg]

It?s a mixture of what you two are saying. Neither of you are wrong

[confucius say]

DJ had 9 carries for 62 yards Tuesday.
7 yards a carry.
Not committing to the run more has been part of the problem.

[WhiskeyPirate]

This is not true. The reason we don't take the top off is because people are running 8 man zones and we can't keep them honest with the run game. Same thing the nfl is starting to see more of with 2 high safeties

It is very true to anyone who watches our games. Just watch a pass where we try to throw across the field from the near hash to the far sideline.....it’s a 5 mph wobbling duck. Defenses are not dropping 8 all the time anymore.

How far down field can our q b throw ? 25 yards max ?

It is what it is. It’s nothing personal, I like Will and think he has done an admirable job.

I’m just speaking in terms of what our ceiling is with this q b in this offense. I’d say 7-8 wins if we get very good o line protection and Will has to play darn near perfect with the short passes.

With a big armed athletic q b that can attack nearly double the area on the field I think we can get to ten wins given the receivers we are accumulating. Of course we have to get a good pass blocking o line.

[Bdawg]

This is not true. The reason we don't take the top off is because people are running 8 man zones and we can't keep them honest with the run game. Same thing the nfl is starting to see more of with 2 high safeties

This!! If we get a little more creative in the run game enough to keep them out of dropping into deep zones, deeper shots would be there more often.

[Bdawg]

It is very true to anyone who watches our games. Just watch a pass where we try to throw across the field from the near hash to the far sideline.....it’s a 5 mph wobbling duck. Defenses are not dropping 8 all the time anymore.

How far down field can our q b throw ? 25 yards max ?

It is what it is. It’s nothing personal, I like Will and think he has done an admirable job.

I’m just speaking in terms of what our ceiling is with this q b in this offense. I’d say 7-8 wins if we get very good o line protection and Will has to play darn near perfect with the short passes.

With a big armed athletic q b that can attack nearly double the area on the field I think we can get to ten wins given the receivers we are accumulating. Of course we have to get a good pass blocking o line.

This is dumb. I can throw over 25 easy. So can Will. But his passes can be slow to the sideline and take too long

[WhiskeyPirate]

This is dumb. I can throw over 25 easy. So can Will. But his passes can be slow to the sideline and take too long

A pass to the sideline and a pass down field have something in common , arm strength.

You can be slow but have a strong arm or you can be quick , athletic and have a weak arm.....but it makes it tough when you are slow with a weak arm in terms of attacking the whole field.

[Bdawg]

Ya ok

Well refute it genius. You going to talk shit about our players then back it up! You think Will can't complete passes over 25+? And a big arm QB will "double" the size of the field we can attack? Nobody says Will has a NFL arm; we all know what we see. I see defenses dropping coverages and playing zone to prevent the deep ball. I see us burn there ass when they go man. That's why we don't see it much except in the redzone when the field shrinks. If we opened up the running game a bit more(and that may be on Will's shoulders to call it and Leach's shoulders to design it) we will see better looks to throw it downfield. But you keep thinking Leach would recruit a QB who can't throw it over 25 yards.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Well refute it genius. You going to talk shit about our players then back it up! You think Will can't complete passes over 25+? And a big arm QB will "double" the size of the field we can attack? Nobody says Will has a NFL arm; we all know what we see. I see defenses dropping coverages and playing zone to prevent the deep ball. I see us burn there ass when they go man. That's why we don't see it much except in the redzone when the field shrinks. If we opened up the running game a bit more(and that may be on Will's shoulders to call it and Leach's shoulders to design it) we will see better looks to throw it downfield. But you keep thinking Leach would recruit a QB who can't throw it over 25 yards.

Read the post directly above yours.

I root for the whole team and program. I’m not emotionally invested in one player. I like Marks. But if Hargrove is more explosive and gives the team a better chance to win....then I want Hargrove to start. I feel the same about the q b position.

[Bdawg]

Read the post directly above yours.

I root for the whole team and program. I’m not emotionally invested in one player. I like Marks. But if Hargrove is more explosive and gives the team a better chance to win....then I want Hargrove to start. I feel the same about the q b position.

If there is a transfer out there better than Will and we can get him, I'm all for it. I believe what you say about the best should play. I want the best 11(freshman or senior) to play. It's one reason why I like Leach. I think he plays the best unlike some coaches. But I had to call you out on the 25 yard stuff and doubling the size of the field. Will ain't that bad. His arm is not nfl. We can agree to that. I came off too harsh. Sorry for that.

[Cowbell]

It is very true to anyone who watches our games. Just watch a pass where we try to throw across the field from the near hash to the far sideline.....it?s a 5 mph wobbling duck. Defenses are not dropping 8 all the time anymore.

How far down field can our q b throw ? 25 yards max ?

It is what it is. It?s nothing personal, I like Will and think he has done an admirable job.

I?m just speaking in terms of what our ceiling is with this q b in this offense. I?d say 7-8 wins if we get very good o line protection and Will has to play darn near perfect with the short passes.

With a big armed athletic q b that can attack nearly double the area on the field I think we can get to ten wins given the receivers we are accumulating. Of course we have to get a good pass blocking o line.

You need to go back and watch our games again. You can not throw deep when you can't get past the safeties when they are in zone. The same way the chiefs and broncos took away Daks deep balls. It is not just against leech.

And will has completed some 40 yard passes through the air this year but people just ignore those.

And we aren't winning 10 games until we get more speed on both sides of the ball. We are SLLLOOOWWWW!

[coachnorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVDpLb5ZrGA

I have audited many football games from high school to NFL and learned that most completions are contested or nearly contested. Anyone can download any complete game at any level and do an audit, just use the video seek bar and a piece of paper.

If a defense is on point, the offense will struggle to get separation especially against zone coverage therefore the offense has to have a plan “B” which is just getting position with an area called a “ZONE”. When position is established the receiver goes to war with the defender.

If the secondary is properly coached, another defender will switch assignments and trade responsibility with the defender being separated from. Generally, the receivers use different step sequences and vary the pattern to get position to dominate a defender. The receiver knows that separation will just cause a trade off or a knock out shot from the new defender.

Generally, against quality zone defenses, receivers go vertical or use set-up crossover technique within a zoned area. Generally, in true schematic passing, the receivers run strict step sequences and strict geometry and the quarterback has to figure things out.

In match-up passing, the receiver just gets to “THE SPOT”. The receiver chooses how he gets there; he just has to get there on time. In match-up, the quarterback knows he is throwing contested balls unlike in schematic. I have included a video to illustrate the psychology.

[bulldawg28]

A pass to the sideline and a pass down field have something in common , arm strength.

You can be slow but have a strong arm or you can be quick , athletic and have a weak arm.....but it makes it tough when you are slow with a weak arm in terms of attacking the whole field.

1000000% truth

[BrunswickDawg]

We are SLLLOOOWWWW!

Yes - and while our WR are much better than at any time in recent memory and are better coached they still are not at a level that the best team have. The fact that we have a walk on contributing at WR tells you what you need to know. I'm happy for Scoob - he's a friend of my nephew, a great kid and worked his tail off to get here, but it tells you a whole lot about the quality of WR we have on the roster.

[Catfish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVDpLb5ZrGA

I have audited many football games from high school to NFL and learned that most completions are contested or nearly contested. Anyone can download any complete game at any level and do an audit, just use the video seek bar and a piece of paper.

If a defense is on point, the offense will struggle to get separation especially against zone coverage therefore the offense has to have a plan “B” which is just getting position with an area called a “ZONE”. When position is established the receiver goes to war with the defender.

If the secondary is properly coached, another defender will switch assignments and trade responsibility with the defender being separated from. Generally, the receivers use different step sequences and vary the pattern to get position to dominate a defender. The receiver knows that separation will just cause a trade off or a knock out shot from the new defender.

Generally, against quality zone defenses, receivers go vertical or use set-up crossover technique within a zoned area. Generally, in true schematic passing, the receivers run strict step sequences and strict geometry and the quarterback has to figure things out.

In match-up passing, the receiver just gets to “THE SPOT”. The receiver chooses how he gets there; he just has to get there on time. In match-up, the quarterback knows he is throwing contested balls unlike in schematic. I have included a video to illustrate the psychology.

Good video!

[vindastra]

I might be entirely wrong, but what is wrong with our RBs? Any time they run, they go down even when someone looks at them. However, every other RB that plays against us seems unstoppable.

Shouldn't our RBs have broken away multiple times if they clear the 10 yard defense?