Damn that Ross Mitchell sucked cock tonight.

[Hump4Hoops]

The reason people rag on you so much is because you enjoy doing things in the most "PLEASE LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!!!!" way possible.

[FFF]

Thats a lie. Luck is a statistical phrnomenonen not an insult and I have never tweeted at any player in my life

People have no respect for you or your opinion because you don't listen and consider all perspectives, instead, you find some facts that support YOUR perspective and act like an ass simply to be "right."

Ross is 9-0 and, aside from a few outings, has done a phenomenal job at taking his abilities an using them in an effective way. Instead of saying "Ross has been extremely effective, hell he had 9 wins, but here's an area of improvement he might look at.." you spout off, and I quote, "wins and era are meaningless stats... My stats will be on the backs of baseball cards because all those others are outdated." Even if the points are the same, that's why no one listens to you.

I know you won't listen to me at all, but if you'd consider a few other perspectives other than your own (limited) perspective and not all out attack everyone who disagrees with your (limited) perspective, you might get a little more respect...

[Will James]

Someone may have retweeted or sent it to him- regardless he saw it and found out about it.

And whether you want to believe it or not, when you say something about someone who is working their ass and or requires some degreeof talent to be good at something and say that they are "lucky"- yes, it's an insult.

Wainwright had one of the highest BABIP's in baseball last year. Mike Minor ha one of the lowest. Saying Minor was lucky and Wainwright unlucky is a stat not an insult. Despite both working very hard. Quit this coddling of baseball players. We are talking about a damn statistic. Nobody coddles football or basketball players but for some reason it becomes personal when baseball players are discussed. It became personal to the guy I was debating on twitter Becuase he ttweeted at Ross saying "This guy thinks your just lucky and not any good" when nothing can be further from the truth. Dee Bost has repeatedly been described as a cancer and nobody said anything. He's one of The winningest players we've ever had. I give my statistical opinion of our baseball team and people go bonkers. It's pathetic. It's like some people don't consider it major college athletics so criticism should be kept minimum. Well I disagree and if a stat offends anyone it doesn't bother me in the least.

[The Croom Diaries]

No Will, you didn't say this stat suggest he may be lucky, you say he is lucky. After watching him for 2 years, we know he is not just lucky. Your stats are wrong. You come off as a baseball nerd who doesn't know much about the game, only how to analyze stats.

You keep reverting to people not wanting to criticize baseball players. You ignored my comment about Sam Frost. Why do we criticize him when he has such good stats? He is on the BASEBALL team right?

[Will James]

No Will, you didn't say this stat suggest he may be lucky, you say he is lucky. After watching him for 2 years, we know he is not just lucky. Your stats are wrong. You come off as a baseball nerd who doesn't know much about the game, only how to analyze stats.

You keep reverting to people not wanting to criticize baseball players. You ignored my comment about Sam Frost. Why do we criticize him when he has such good stats? He is on the BASEBALL team right?

Ross has come into the game 12 times in league play with runners on base. 7 of those times he has allowed runs to score, totaling 13 runs. That does not show up in ERA. It does show up in FIP and SIERA. I don't know why this is ignored.

[WeWillScrewItUp]

Ross has come into the game 12 times in league play with runners on base. 7 of those times he has allowed runs to score, totaling 13 runs. That does not show up in ERA. It does show up in FIP and SIERA. I don't know why this is ignored.

I'm curious if you could tell me of those 13 runs how many were on 3rd base or just in scoring position when he came in and how many outs we had. Like I said I'm just curious.

[Will James]

I'm curious if you could tell me of those 13 runs how many were on 3rd base or just in scoring position when he came in and how many outs we had. Like I said I'm just curious.

I believe I listed them in another thread. I also believe the point of a reliever is to shut that situation down in most cases. Not give up runs in 58% of them. That's why we need high strikeout options, that situation is not suitable for Ross which is my entire point. ERA reflects none of that.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

No Will, you didn't say this stat suggest he may be lucky, you say he is lucky. After watching him for 2 years, we know he is not just lucky. Your stats are wrong. You come off as a baseball nerd who doesn't know much about the game, only how to analyze stats.

You keep reverting to people not wanting to criticize baseball players. You ignored my comment about Sam Frost. Why do we criticize him when he has such good stats? He is on the BASEBALL team right?

Slow clap. Wonder what wills vcash account looks like from the betting page.

I can see will being a coach that goes .500 every year and loses to an inferior coach who just goes on instinct. Will has all the charts so he will never accept that he is wrong.

Kind of like him with the renfroe deal and runners in scoring position. If you could pick anyone on the team to hit with the game on the line, he would pick renfroe. Yet, renfroe is least clutch on the team, no matter what a chart says.


Just watch all the games and see who the baseball players are. Mitchell isnt a great pitcher. He probably wont even sniff minor league ball but he is a ******* baseball player. That is what I want. Judge by how they play

[Will James]

You are correct, I would pick Renfroe. How stupid of me*

[swdawg]

And here we go...some things never change.

[Coach34]

Will James is a closet Rebel and wants us to lose.
Will James would rather be right than us win
Will James is an arrogant prick douche
Will James just cherry picks stats to make our team look bad
Why does Will James hate Mitchell so much? I think Mitchell ****ed Will James girlfriend

(It's fun to do it to other people now)

[swdawg]

Will James has a girlfriend?

Will James is a closet Rebel and wants us to lose.
Will James would rather be right than us win
Will James is an arrogant prick douche
Will James just cherry picks stats to make our team look bad
Why does Will James hate Mitchell so much? I think Mitchell ****ed Will James girlfriend

(It's fun to do it to other people now)

[Randy1375]

Requiem posts on here? Whats up Requiem?

[Homedawg]

Ross has come into the game 12 times in league play with runners on base. 7 of those times he has allowed runs to score, totaling 13 runs. That does not show up in ERA. It does show up in FIP and SIERA. I don't know why this is ignored.

Of course it doesn't show up on era, he didn't let the f-ing guy on base! He, however, is responsible those he faces. Why is his era not high? Because people ate bailing him out of jams he created? Hell no. He's third in innings pitched so that's not it.

[Will James]

Of course it doesn't show up on era, he didn't let the f-ing guy on base! He, however, is responsible those he faces. Why is his era not high? Because people ate bailing him out of jams he created? Hell no. He's third in innings pitched so that's not it.

So let him start innings in long relief but use someone else to get out of jams. Which is my point. Again. When you come into jams your job is to get out of them. He's not been great at that because his doesn't K people. The reason we change pitchers is because the current one is on pace to let those runners score. What's the point of changing pitchers if the next guy lets them in.

[Todd4State]

Wainwright had one of the highest BABIP's in baseball last year. Mike Minor ha one of the lowest. Saying Minor was lucky and Wainwright unlucky is a stat not an insult. Despite both working very hard. Quit this coddling of baseball players. We are talking about a damn statistic. Nobody coddles football or basketball players but for some reason it becomes personal when baseball players are discussed. It became personal to the guy I was debating on twitter Becuase he ttweeted at Ross saying "This guy thinks your just lucky and not any good" when nothing can be further from the truth. Dee Bost has repeatedly been described as a cancer and nobody said anything. He's one of The winningest players we've ever had. I give my statistical opinion of our baseball team and people go bonkers. It's pathetic. It's like some people don't consider it major college athletics so criticism should be kept minimum. Well I disagree and if a stat offends anyone it doesn't bother me in the least.

Who is coddling Ross? If anything, you coddle Jacob Lindgren with the exact same stat despite the obvious fact that he simply isn't performing all that well.

I'm TELLING you how people are perceiving what you are saying and why they are saying that. In your mind, you think it's because people are somehow refusing to accept sabermetrics. It's because you said that a guy that is reasonably performing well for us and has done nothing to warrant criticism for performance is lucky.

The fact that BABIP's poster boy is a guy that was recovering from Tommy John surgery last year should tell you something. I can tell you that Wainwright wasn't sharp at all at the beginning of the year- but that had nothing to with luck as much as it had to do with recovering from a major arm surgery. In all honesty, the Cardinals rushed him back a little bit. He performed much like the old Adam Wainwright the second half of the year. EVERYONE in baseball knew he was going to be good in 2013 no matter what metric you used.

And again, yes by saying Mike Minor was lucky you are insinuating that he isn't all that good which yes, is an insult at him.

[The Croom Diaries]

So let him start innings in long relief but use someone else to get out of jams. Which is my point. Again. When you come into jams your job is to get out of them. He's not been great at that because his doesn't K people. The reason we change pitchers is because the current one is on pace to let those runners score. What's the point of changing pitchers if the next guy lets them in.

This is so confusing. I thought we were comparing him to Lindgren who is a starting pitcher.

First he was lucky, now he is good but just don't bring him in with runners on base.

Ok. I think I have your logic down. So - Mitchell isn't a strikeout pitcher so he shouldn't be brought in during those situations but he is good to go if starting off an inning. But I am afraid to criticize baseball players unlike basketball and football. Just one question, who's call is it to bring in Mitchell with runners on base? Next time it happens, should I yell at Ross and say "HEY MITCHELL YOU SUCK WHY ARE YOU COMING INTO THE GAME WITH RUNNERS ON WE TOLD YOU TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT INNING"?

[Will James]

Dont take it to the extreme ends Todd. A really low BABIP means some luck is involved not that it's "all luck and no talent". Lance Lynn had a high one. Cliff Lee had a high one. Max Scherzer had a high one. Matt Cain had a low one. It's not an insult.

What Im not saying: Mike Minor is just lucky that's all
what I am saying: With a low BABIP, Minors Numbers are improved based on the luck factor.

If you can't see the difference, which you seemingly can't, I don't know what to tell you.

[Will James]

Ok. I think I have your logic down. So - Mitchell isn't a strikeout pitcher so he shouldn't be brought in during those situations but he is good to go if starting off an inning.

I don't know why that was so hard.

[The Croom Diaries]

I don't know why that was so hard.

Then your whole critique is on Cohen for bringing Ross in with runners on rather than Ross himself. Yet you lambast people for claiming Ross is one of the SEC's most effective pitchers saying we are afraid to criticize a baseball player.

If your point from the start was runners on when he comes in people would agree, but you keep changing your responses and blaming Ross rather than Cohen.