Latest rumors on the Kimchee's and such

[Bully Dee Williams]

DT Shackleford and Cody Prewitt are as good of quality leadership guys as you'll find. There are some quality "glue" guys on that team -- but there may not be enough of them to keep everyone pulling in the right direction(See MSU 2012).

Prewitt isn't a choir boy. He's done a few things at OM that haven't seen the light of day.

[engie]

Prewitt isn't a choir boy. He's done a few things at OM that haven't seen the light of day.

No one is saying he is. But he's a very good leader overall.

[RossDawg82]

The K brothers will not pay a cent to the Fareeses. They handle a large majority of Ole Miss Litigation and I promise that this will be paid by someone affiliated with the University.

[slickdawg]

Neil McReady was on Out Of Bounds this morning, it seemed like he was laying the footwork for Denzel to be tossed. Something like "There's no slack in his rope" and "he's had other issues".

[bonesknowstig]

Either A, the police are involved and the real lawsuit should be with them; or B, the kid's looking for money.

Part of me hopes it's B even though I'd love to see Ole Miss in a tizzy, I have friends at OPD, UPD, and LCSD. I'd like to think they aren't involved in anything like this.

[RossDawg82]

If fraternities are about brotherhood and my boys watched me get my ass whooped without doing anything, I would sue the shit out of KA

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Having read through the civil complaint and seeing that UPD was unable to find anyone that could identify anyone, there are two or three scenarios that could play out.

1) The case is found to be without merit and will be thrown out. The plaintiff will have to present something to the courts that implicates the Nkemdiche brothers for this to proceed through the court. I just do not see a respected law firm pursuing this litigation without some silver bullet of sorts, they know the process well.

2) The plaintiff has some silver bullet, either a witness or more, video, something that implicates the Nkemdiche brothers. If this is the case, there is a good chance this survives all of the motions to dismiss, which will either lead to a trial or settlement.

3) The plantiff has some very damning evidence. This is where the conspiracy theories will reside, however this is a possibility.


After thinking this through and talking with some colleagues, things just do not add up. Why would a respected law firm go on a Kamikaze mission? According to UPD, there are no witnesses. A fraternity house that was full of people and was in the process of being cleared out and nobody saw anything? I find this hard to believe. This is where the conspiracy theorists will line up, alleging that someone tried to cover this up. The question then becomes who attempted to cover this up? We already see allegations that Hugh Freeze lead this alleged coverup effort.

Another point a colleague brought up, why only sue the Nkemdiche brothers? There is no dispute that two young men were severely beaten at the fraternity house after attending a fraternity house party. There is low hanging fruit there, this took place on fraternity property and the fraternity has money and insurance, so why not pursue them for damages? Today there is a much better chance that the fraternity can produce the funds required for a settlement. Two college football players cannot produce anything close to the demand made in the complaint. This would make some sense with the rumor number 3, the plaintiff has an axe to grind with the Nkemdiche brothers and perhaps someone else.

This will be interesting litigation to follow over the next several months.

The reason I don't buy the cover up conspiracy theories right now is because if there was some smoking gun, they would have sued the UPD and the officers in question for covering it up. Maybe even Freeze/the AD/whoever ordered the cover up.

All the Plaintiff needs right now is him saying that these players assaulted him. That is it. I'm sure the girlfriend and friend have made witness statements supporting him, but the rest of anything that comes from this will surface through discovery. They may well find a smoking gun, but I highly doubt they have one at the moment.

[Madisonmd]

My sons friend is a KA ay OM. He says they have been issued a gag order by fraternity leadership.

[Lloyd Christmas]

If fraternities are about brotherhood and my boys watched me get my ass whooped without doing anything, I would sue the shit out of KA

This seems to be the most misunderstood part. From reading the cvil case complaint you can see the plaintiff was NOT a KA, but visiting friends. If he had been a KA we would've heard about this a year ago.

[RossDawg82]

My sons friend is a KA ay OM. He says they have been issued a gag order by fraternity leadership.

who issued it? I wonder if that came from the attorneys going after the K brothers. If that's the case, they have something up their sleeve.

[Madisonmd]

He just said "their leadership", don't think it was the attorneys

[RougeDawg]

I certainly think the Kimchee's are more of an issue simply because of all the legalities that have arisen already. No doubt about it

Freezus is not the only one worrying about their job right now

Did someone order up a Bjork sandwich?

[Johnson85]

3. The firm taking the case is 1. reputable, and 2. is going to take a LOT of heat locally for taking the case. This will cost them business, so they must be on to something worthwhile.

People are putting way too much stock in the fact that an attorney was willing to take this case. They are being paid to take a case; most firms will take it unless it is frivelous or unless they are very concerned with fallout. You can be pretty sure they are not taking it on a contingency because if they had, they would be suing at least the KA because of the deep pockets. The plaintiffs are either paying on an hourly basis, or they have so much other business to hand out that the firm is basically writing it off as business development, even if they technically have a contingency fee arrangement in place.

This case is just weird. You wouldn't expect a plaintiff to pay out of pocket if he was full of shit or if credible testimony was going to come out that he was yelling racial slurs. So you would think this is going to be bad for the Kimdechiodss. But you also wouldn't expect the police department to be too lazy to even do an investigation or to blatantly participate in a cover-up, one of which must be true if the plaintiff is not full of shit.

Either the plaintiff is scared to tell his parents what instigated the fight and so they are proceeding as if what's in the complaint is gospel or the cops actually turned a blind eye because it was football players or maybe the cops did a minimal investigation and decided it was boys being boys, but again it's hard to believe they woudl do that when somebody was at the hospital. At least one party is going to come out of this looking terrible, possibly both, and if the plaintiff does not come out looking terrible, somebody at the UPD at the very least is going to have to lose their job.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

This is pretty much in line with what I think is going on.

5. Don't be surprised if the "real attacker" shows up pretty soon. Also, don't be surprised if his family members all get promotions shortly after. The neat thing about this scenario is that if they prove it was RK & Co. in the civil trial, the cover up could sink more than those already under the lights.

That's the first thing I thought of when I read the statement from their attorney: ?We deny all allegations,? Steve Farese said. ?My personal opinion after interviewing witnesses is that this is a classic case of misidentification.?

[RougeDawg]

Well we know OM students and fans care more about winning a football game than they do another person's well being or life, so it will be very difficult to get them to talk. A good lawyer will make a few of them slip up in court though. Need a sneaky one, kinda like the head football coach at OM.

[bannedwayne]

who issued it? I wonder if that came from the attorneys going after the K brothers. If that's the case, they have something up their sleeve.

My guess is KA Admin - the national office.

Although KA isn't being sued, the more the members talk, the more likely that they could be implicated in some way. Sounds like a CYA maneuver.

[SignalToNoise]

He just said "their leadership", don't think it was the attorneys

This probably means KA National office (located in Virginia), which I'm sure has a legal staff.

[msstate7]

This is pretty much in line with what I think is going on.

1. Even if they win, they will never see this money. They are going to have to go out of pocket to pay the lawyers at the end of the day. If they wanted money, they would have settled this a long time ago or they would have included someone who has money (KA, UPD, UM) in the case.

2. The police work is shitty at best. In a house full of people two kids get their heads kicked in and nobody knows anything? The victims identify the attackers and NOBODY can collaborate or give another ID? Come on. If somebody wanted to solve this one it would not have taken much effort.

3. The firm taking the case is 1. reputable, and 2. is going to take a LOT of heat locally for taking the case. This will cost them business, so they must be on to something worthwhile.

4. The neat thing about civil cases is that you can compel a witness to testify. They can claim the 5th amendment, but that can be used against them unlike a criminal case. I would not be surprised to see Freeze, Bjork, half the football team, half of KA, and the 2013 recruiting class on the stand. They could make this a real circus.

5. Don't be surprised if the "real attacker" shows up pretty soon. Also, don't be surprised if his family members all get promotions shortly after. The neat thing about this scenario is that if they prove it was RK & Co. in the civil trial, the cover up could sink more than those already under the lights.

Bodies are going under the bus soon. Going to make popcorn. BRB.

I wonder if there are recruits that signed elsewhere that will testify against Kim brothers

[bannedwayne]

It happened after signing day, so it is doubtful that any non-OM recruits were present....

[BeardoMSU]

To me, that just adds more smoke to the situation, and gives a little more credence to the plaintiff's case.

Seriously, who of these KA's would willingly rat on 2 football players, especially those of "rock star" caliber as the Kem-Che brothers? That just wouldn't happen.

It's also worth noting that the so-called "investigation" was literally the campus police merely asking members of the KA house "what happened" and if they "saw who threw the punches". All they had to reply with was "no, sir, we didn't see anything". At that point, there really isn't an incentive for telling the truth, and there are no consequences for keeping your mouth shut. And as far as I've read, the victims were not interviewed by the police. How does that happen?