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[Maverick91]

Give me a minute let me get this out... We are not as good as some on here think we are (I fall into this group) this group is going to have to accept that is reality until we are proven correct. We are also not as horrible as the other group on here thinks that we are.

I honestly thought at the beginning of the season that we were a potential nine win team. Call me crazy, I don't care, that's what I saw, and honestly I can make the argument that we should be 4-0 today and have a real possibility to win next week. So, nine wins could have really happened.

For those of us that think Leach is going to be the Bear for State, we seriously need to chill. There are things that are happening that would not be happening at any other program than State. It honestly shouldn't take this long to instill your offense, it doesn't matter who you are, it just shouldn't. I don't understand why it is taking the time that it is, is it on the whole unit or does it really sit at the feet of Will? I honestly don't know, my opinion for how much it doesn't matter is that it sits at Will's feet.

For those of you who think that Leach should be tared and feathered before he is sent walking to, you need to chill. It is really ignorant of you to not see how many youthful and inexperienced mistakes that are taking place that are completely out of Leaches control. A lot of those we can see are getting fixed week in and week out, but, inconsistency is to me the biggest sign of a youthful/inexperienced team.

My take: Neither group has enough ground to say their opinion is fact. We beat that team today, stats do matter, if we won and were killed in the stats column. We seriously would be sitting here saying that we got lucky and this isn't sustainable. But, since we are putting the stats up to win the game, there is something that is happening correctly. Also, the team hasn't quit, nor do they look like they want to. That is huge! I'm pissed, I am not hopeful but we will see what happens.

[memsu06]

I was in the optimistic group as well.

We are really close to breaking out and as young as this team is and if they all stick around imagine it in 3 years when they are Seniors.

Think about how many snaps they will have all had over that time.

We're improving, and we have to stop killing ourselves with at the worst possible times.

[Homedawg]

I was in the optimistic group as well.

We are really close to breaking out and as young as this team is and if they all stick around imagine it in 3 years when they are Seniors.

Think about how many snaps they will have all had over that time.

We're improving, and we have to stop killing ourselves with at the worst possible times.

We aren't that young. Qb is yes. Rb yes. Besides that we aren't. Anywhere. That's a bs excuse

[Maverick91]

We aren't that young. Qb is yes. Rb yes. Besides that we aren't. Anywhere. That's a bs excuse

No it’s not… The amount of inexperience that this team is playing with is mind blowing, think about the 2013, 2011, 2016 teams. A lot of freaking youth and inexperience. It’s a thing and we have it right now.

[ShotgunDawg]

Give me a minute let me get this out... We are not as good as some on here think we are (I fall into this group) this group is going to have to accept that is reality until we are proven correct. We are also not as horrible as the other group on here thinks that we are.

I honestly thought at the beginning of the season that we were a potential nine win team. Call me crazy, I don't care, that's what I saw, and honestly I can make the argument that we should be 4-0 today and have a real possibility to win next week. So, nine wins could have really happened.

For those of us that think Leach is going to be the Bear for State, we seriously need to chill. There are things that are happening that would not be happening at any other program than State. It honestly shouldn't take this long to instill your offense, it doesn't matter who you are, it just shouldn't. I don't understand why it is taking the time that it is, is it on the whole unit or does it really sit at the feet of Will? I honestly don't know, my opinion for how much it doesn't matter is that it sits at Will's feet.

For those of you who think that Leach should be tared and feathered before he is sent walking to, you need to chill. It is really ignorant of you to not see how many youthful and inexperienced mistakes that are taking place that are completely out of Leaches control. A lot of those we can see are getting fixed week in and week out, but, inconsistency is to me the biggest sign of a youthful/inexperienced team.

My take: Neither group has enough ground to say their opinion is fact. We beat that team today, stats do matter, if we won and were killed in the stats column. We seriously would be sitting here saying that we got lucky and this isn't sustainable. But, since we are putting the stats up to win the game, there is something that is happening correctly. Also, the team hasn't quit, nor do they look like they want to. That is huge! I'm pissed, I am not hopeful but we will see what happens.

Reasonable

[ShotgunDawg]

We aren't that young. Qb is yes. Rb yes. Besides that we aren't. Anywhere. That's a bs excuse

No it's not. The skill position players are extremely young & fairly new to this offense.

[ArrowDawg]

I was in the optimistic group as well.

We are really close to breaking out and as young as this team is and if they all stick around imagine it in 3 years when they are Seniors.

Think about how many snaps they will have all had over that time.

We're improving, and we have to stop killing ourselves with at the worst possible times.

Interesting. We've gone from "wait until year 3" to "wait 3 more years" when we're in year 2. That can is getting beat to hell as much as it's getting kicked down the road.

[Maverick91]

I’m not down for wiring three more years. That train is not a train I want on.

[R2Dawg]

No it?s not? The amount of inexperience that this team is playing with is mind blowing, think about the 2013, 2011, 2016 teams. A lot of freaking youth and inexperience. It?s a thing and we have it right now.

Every team is young somewhere, young is a losers excuse.

I was in the camp when Leach was hired that I've got doubts but I'll give Leach a chance and hope it works. About the same with Joe and Croom. After 1-2 years, I saw all I needed to see. Now same with Leach.

I know we can't fire him now and at the earliest after next year but nothing is going to change. If Leach adapts then yes he can win some but he has shown no will or ability to adapt in 30 years. Someone show me where he has changed? Winning coaches adapt - Saban. Leach is gonna beat that square peg in round hole and he has too many MSU fans fooled.

[Maverick91]

Every team is young somewhere, young is a losers excuse.

I was in the camp when Leach was hired that I've got doubts but I'll give Leach a chance and hope it works. About the same with Joe and Croom. After 1-2 years, I saw all I needed to see. Now same with Leach.

I know we can't fire him now and at the earliest after next year but nothing is going to change. If Leach adapts then yes he can win some but he has shown no will or ability to adapt in 30 years. Someone show me where he has changed? Winning coaches adapt - Saban. Leach is gonna beat that square peg in round hole and he has too many MSU fans fooled.

We are just going to have to disagree. Youth is a real thing in sports, youth makes mistakes that vets don’t make. Balls don’t bounce the way of youthful teams because those teams are not in the same place that more veteran teams is. I’m not making an excuse it’s just reality. If we want anything to happen this year they must grow up pretty much this week.

[memsu06]

Texas A&M and Auburn are vulnerable. I think we can beat them if we play a clean game with no stupid mistakes that have been killing us.

Defense can't give up easy TDs like at LSU. Offense needs to score after they get in the red zone whether it's field goals or TDs.

[Coach34]

No it's not. The skill position players are extremely young & fairly new to this offense.

We are going to lose 5 maybe 6 starters on offense after this season. So what will we be next year on offense?

[Coach34]

Texas A&M and Auburn are vulnerable. I think we can beat them if we play a clean game with no stupid mistakes that have been killing us. .

"Goshdarn it guys. If we play absolutely perfect we can win!!!!!!"

[DownwardDawg]

We are going to lose 5 maybe 6 starters on offense after this season. So what will we be next year on offense?

Hopefully a run heavy spread option team.

[ShotgunDawg]

We are going to lose 5 maybe 6 starters on offense after this season. So what will we be next year on offense?

Who all are we losing?

[Coach34]

Who all are we losing?

Williams
Heath
Sharp
Lashley
Cross (likely leaves for draft)

Then it will be wait and see on Polk, Calvin, and Jones on whether they return or not.

[R2Dawg]

We are just going to have to disagree. Youth is a real thing in sports, youth makes mistakes that vets don?t make. Balls don?t bounce the way of youthful teams because those teams are not in the same place that more veteran teams is. I?m not making an excuse it?s just reality. If we want anything to happen this year they must grow up pretty much this week.

Yeah I know youth is a real thing. My point is the issue with that excuse. Every team in America has youth playing minutes. There is no team full of juniors and seniors. It is a mixture of freshmen thru seniors also with transfers.

If our team had 75% freshmen starting or something, that is a reason. But fact is we don't.

The senior laden team is the case for making a championship run every X years not putting a decent product on the field. Our issues have nothing to do with youth.

[coachnorm]

"Goshdarn it guys. If we play absolutely perfect we can win!!!!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2lgOO2fapA

Sometimes you have to look at things more closely. Consider looking at this YouTube file at time lines 0.05 and 0.06 on the seek bar of this video. MSU receiver Heath is 6ft3in 220lbs. He gets a good pass thrown to him and he places the football on his outside hand. Heath sees the defender size him up and he for some odd reason changes the ball to his inside hand in just a perfect spot for the defender to place his helmet on it? The big receivers body language shows fear before the contact and he does not cover up the ball with the free hand. The big receiver protects his legs instead of the ball. While protecting his legs, his possession hand widens away from his high and tight rib area. The game turned on that play because the receiver was fearful. This is not playing quality ball and the quarterback was not at fault. Throwing to fearful receivers will have an effect on the quarterbacks mindset also? Use some slow motion while watching two seconds of video?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Williams
Heath
Sharp
Lashley
Cross (likely leaves for draft)

Then it will be wait and see on Polk, Calvin, and Jones on whether they return or not.

Add Walley to the return or not.

[maroonmania]

"Goshdarn it guys. If we play absolutely perfect we can win!!!!!!"

No, we don't have to play absolutely perfect to win BUT right now we are sloppy, sloppy, undisciplined football team that has no attention to detail. That is not a scheme issue but I guess it could have some to do with youth if you consider us young or at least inexperienced. And is certainly a coaching issue.

But how about we stop giving our opponent a 7 point head start every week by not only fumbling away the ball on our opening possession every week but doing it over near the sideline where there is nobody to tackle anyone if the defense gets it. How about let's stop being routinely negative in the turnover column in general. Not only is our offense giving away the ball quite a bit but our defense isn't getting a lot back. Forbes INT yesterday was nice but it was so far down the field it equated to a punt. How about our punt team put in a little more attention to detail by controlling the ball when you down it or not committing a personal foul when rushing the punter costing us possessions and points. How about the defense not let a guy get behind them 30 yards and making us look silly for a TD. How about not sending the house on every 3rd down and continuing to give up these huge chunk plays or TDs. Yesterday we gave up 3 TDs on touchdown passes of over 40 yards. How about not missing chip shot FGs. How about when we execute an onside kick we not have a guy run across and illegally bulldoze an opposing player paying no attention to the ball. How about cutting out having twice the penalty yardage of our opponent with routine holding calls and personal fouls (although the holding calls were not an issue yesterday). We could easily be 4-0 right now if we had just played smart, disciplined football and not doing stupid things but I guess maybe that is too much to ask. We are not a top level team by any means nor do we have the talent to be but we've lost the last 2 weeks to teams that are not really that good and that we had every opportunity to beat.