Damn that Ross Mitchell sucked cock tonight.

[Requiem For A Dawg]

Right Will?

[Homedawg]

Right Will?

He was lucky tonight.

[Todd4State]

It would be pretty funny if Ross did a Sierra Mist ad on the scoreboard. Of course, I would probably be the only one who gets it in the stands, but...

[Will James]

I didn't particularly enjoy the single and double to start the 7th. Glad their coach sent him with no outs, that would have been run number 5. He did good to get the out when he came in though.

Also I don't understand the Will thinks Ross sucks meme. I think he is about on par with everyone else in our bullpen. On par. If Lindgren or Porter has a big game I'm not going to come here and play the nanny nanny boo boo game or the next time Renfroe gets a hit with RISP. Same concept.

[Requiem For A Dawg]

Well he did lead the team in K's last night, probably has been reading your advice online.

[Will James]

Well he did lead the team in K's last night, probably has been reading your advice online.

Good. His K rate is down 25% from last year.

[The Croom Diaries]

Also I don't understand the Will thinks Ross sucks meme. I think he is about on par with everyone else in our bullpen. On par.

For the last 36 hours you've been in a twitter spat about how Mitchell's stats mean nothing and you'd rather have Girado or C.T. If you'd rather have other people in the game than our leader in wins and a guy who has the same ERA as Girado but 125% more IP and you are afraid of what would happen if we bring him in during critical situations then you don't think he's on par with the rest of our league-leading bullpen.

Then you start a post on here about how people just want to defend Mitchell because of our blind allegiances to baseball players and aren't recognizing that he's not that great based on your set of advanced stats.

Most of us are proud that Mitchell and glad that his name is among the league leaders. Instead you want to bring him down and say he needs to get better. He is what he is - a crafty lefty. He isn't going to develop a 90 mph fastball over night. I find what he is able to do with his abilities remarkable. We all know he doesn't have Holder or Bracewell's stuff. But we do know he's a winner and he plays damn good for the maroon and white. I'm glad he's on our team and I hope he's at the top of Cohen's list to pitch in every big game we play from here on out.

[Will James]

I agree with most of that. On par doesn't mean same in every situation. I put my opinion out there that we use him in the wrong situations a lot which got turned into "WJ thinks he sucks" by the unthinking people.

Also I think we look at the wrong stats. Because I dismiss ERA outright the rubes say "Oh WJ thinks Ross sucks because he doesnt like his low ERA". Any reliever coming in with outs on the board will have a lower ERA nnaturally which is why it's a bullshit stat. Same with pitcher wins and losses. Is Graveman the worst starter because he had the most losses? No. I'm not proud of anything regarding wins losses and ERA because I don't believe in those as measuring sticks. I'm not going to fake proudness in a 9-0 record if I don't think the pitcher record means anything.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Bench mitchell for lindgren and let renfroe bat with the game on the line. That is what the formula says. Yall are all ****ing stupid if you cant see that

[The Croom Diaries]

I'm not going to fake proudness in a 9-0 record if I don't think the pitcher record means anything.

You don't have to be "fake proud" about anything. There's just no use in bashing his statistics - stats that everyone uses. I don't see any of your FIBA or SIERA or MSODFIU stats on MLB.com - which if we're going to be seeing those stats on the backs of baseball cards in 5 years I would assume they'd have them somewhere, right?

Maybe you don't mean to bash Mitchell, but that's how it comes off to almost everyone reading. You are terrible at arguing, which is unfortunate since it's your favorite past time even ahead of sabermetrics. Your goal seems to be to get people to buy in to this way of thinking about baseball. If that's the case, then have an introduction, body and conclusion of your thought process and why/how it matters rather than simply thinking we should all buy in and if we don't we are morons stuck in the 1960s.

[Will James]

You don't have to be "fake proud" about anything. There's just no use in bashing his statistics - stats that everyone uses. I don't see any of your FIBA or SIERA or MSODFIU stats on MLB.com - which if we're going to be seeing those stats on the backs of baseball cards in 5 years I would assume they'd have them somewhere, right?

Fangraphs.com Great site.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=21,a

Maybe you don't mean to bash Mitchell, but that's how it comes off to almost everyone reading.

That's not my problem. Again it seems that people jump at the slightest opportunity to jump in and defend baseball players as opposed to football and basketball. Coach has a good point about Stansbury being a good correlation but that was a coach. Dee Bost won a ton of games yet has been identified as a cancer multiple times. A cancer, all I am doing is putting numbers out there. I don't know any of our baseball players, don't really care to. Me talking about Ross' numbers and stats is just me talking about random roster number 48's numbers. There is nothing personal on my side, but there definitely is in area's of the other side.

Your goal seems to be to get people to buy in to this way of thinking about baseball.

Yes and I guarantee I've been successful in changing how some people watch our games.

[Bullmutt]

As long as he (and all the others in the pen) are contributing to WINNING efforts, I don't care what the individual stats say. Ultimately, W's vs. L's is the only stat that counts.

[The Croom Diaries]

That's not my problem. Again it seems that people jump at the slightest opportunity to jump in and defend baseball players as opposed to football and basketball. Coach has a good point about Stansbury being a good correlation but that was a coach. Dee Bost won a ton of games yet has been identified as a cancer multiple times. A cancer, all I am doing is putting numbers out there. I don't know any of our baseball players, don't really care to. Me talking about Ross' numbers and stats is just me talking about random roster number 48's numbers. There is nothing personal on my side, but there definitely is in area's of the other side.

It is your problem. If you can't lay out a complete thought that allows other people to actually understand what point you are trying to convey, then you aren't doing it right. You keep saying we are misunderstanding you - the people reading aren't all dumb and you are smart. If most people aren't getting what you are trying to say, then you aren't explaining it well enough.

Your conclusion that people just want to defend Mitchell is not accurate. Is anyone defending Sam Frost? Everyone says there is no way in hell he should get on the field yet he has a batting average well over .300 and is hitting almost .350 in SEC play. If we were all smitten by those stats wouldn't we defend him since he's a baseball player?

The plain simple fact is more people don't buy into this theory about Ross Mitchell than do. The percentage of people who think sabermetrics trumps ERA and batting average is very low. You harping that one of our best pitchers isn't really as good as we think he is just makes you look like an idiot, not make us want to buy into your outside the box statistical analysis.

[Requiem For A Dawg]

Any reliever coming in with outs on the board will have a lower ERA nnaturally which is why it's a bullshit stat.

Come on dude. He's 3rd on the team in innings pitched. Quit acting like Cohen brings him in with 2 outs to face lefty, then yanks him.

[Will James]

Come on dude. He's 3rd on the team in innings pitched. Quit acting like Cohen brings him in with 2 outs to face lefty, then yanks him.

I look at the SEC numbers. He has been on the mound when 13 runs have been scored not attributed to him. That's why I look at what have you as a pitcher done vs hitters at the plate. Not things like earned runs that rely on others and certainly not pitcher W's and L's.

[Todd4State]

I agree with most of that. On par doesn't mean same in every situation. I put my opinion out there that we use him in the wrong situations a lot which got turned into "WJ thinks he sucks" by the unthinking people.

Also I think we look at the wrong stats. Because I dismiss ERA outright the rubes say "Oh WJ thinks Ross sucks because he doesnt like his low ERA". Any reliever coming in with outs on the board will have a lower ERA nnaturally which is why it's a bullshit stat. Same with pitcher wins and losses. Is Graveman the worst starter because he had the most losses? No. I'm not proud of anything regarding wins losses and ERA because I don't believe in those as measuring sticks. I'm not going to fake proudness in a 9-0 record if I don't think the pitcher record means anything.

No- we think Will James thinks Ross sucks because you keep putting out a stat that you say proclaims that Ross is lucky and then tweet it out to him.

[Will James]

No- we think Will James thinks Ross sucks because you keep putting out a stat that you say proclaims that Ross is lucky and then tweet it out to him.

Thats a lie. Luck is a statistical phrnomenonen not an insult and I have never tweeted at any player in my life

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

No- we think Will James thinks Ross sucks because you keep putting out a stat that you say proclaims that Ross is lucky and then tweet it out to him.

As a lot of you know and a lot of you will learn in life, it is better to be lucky than good.

Dude has thrown over 60 innings and had a 1.2 era. Period. Of course players like lindgren have first round potential. So did renardo sidney. Ill take brandon vincent over sidney all day.

[Todd4State]

Thats a lie. Luck is a statistical phrnomenonen not an insult and I have never tweeted at any player in my life

Someone may have retweeted or sent it to him- regardless he saw it and found out about it.

And whether you want to believe it or not, when you say something about someone who is working their ass and or requires some degreeof talent to be good at something and say that they are "lucky"- yes, it's an insult.

[Todd4State]

As a lot of you know and a lot of you will learn in life, it is better to be lucky than good.

Dude has thrown over 60 innings and had a 1.2 era. Period. Of course players like lindgren have first round potential. So did renardo sidney. Ill take brandon vincent over sidney all day.

Very true. It's about making it count when it counts.