Any attendance restrictions being discussed for football?

[DownwardDawg]

My wife is an RN supervisor. Her job and all other RN's job in Mississippi totally suck again now due to the unvaccinated folks. The vaccination helps keep you out of the hospital.

[BeardoMSU]

Biden, Harris, and a slew of others said they wouldn't trust the "Trump" vaccine.

Lol, that's not what they said.
They said "they would trust the medical/scientific community", but not just believe something because "he said it". They also always followed up that statement by reiterating that when/if the vaccine was rolled out and deemed safe, that everyone should get it. Combine that with the months and months of vaccine promotion from them since they've been available, its really funny y'all want to go down this road....a lot more crickets coming from Trump and his top folks regarding promoting the benefits of getting vaxxed vs. the alternative, lol.

For extra context, those statements were made during the campaign when Trump was literally using the proposition of a vaccine as an "October surprise"/i.e., political poker chip, rather than a miracle that would save people....as usual, the priority was him and his, not others. This is the same man that said COVID was under control in March 2020, lol. A beacon of honesty. That's where the "I wouldn't trust him just because he said it" comes from.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And you wonder why people won't get the shot.....this is why. Now you hate America if you don't get the vaccine. How about, let people make informed decisions for themselves and let them live with the consequences. I know that's a novel concept in today's time, but if you do what you feel is best for you then you're not making a wrong decision.

No people don't get the shot because they are terrible at making informed decisions. They do not understand statistics. They do not understand how the vaccine was produced and developed. They do not understand the trial process, efficacy rates, etc.

There is only one thing anyone needs to know. Get the vaccine. Socially distance. Wash your hands. Reduce your opportunities to get infected. Wear a mask. Stay home if you feel ill.
Those are the things we can control. Those few simple steps are our duty.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Lol, that's not what they said.
They said "they would trust the medical/scientific community", but not just believe something because "he said it". They also always followed up that statement by reiterating that when/if the vaccine was rolled out and deemed safe, that everyone should get it. Combine that with the months and months of vaccine promotion from them since they've been available, its really funny y'all want to go down this road....a lot more crickets coming from Trump and his top folks regarding promoting the benefits of getting vaxxed vs. the alternative, lol.

For extra context, those statements were made during the campaign when Trump was literally using the proposition of a vaccine as an "October surprise"/i.e., political poker chip, rather than a miracle that would save people....as usual, the priority was him and his, not others. This is the same man that said COVID was under control in March 2020, lol. A beacon of honesty. That's where the "I wouldn't trust him just because he said it" comes from.

Not to mention, at that given time, Trump was suggesting people should inject themselves with bleach or somehow use high energy lights to fry your insides. I am paraphrasing, but yeah. None of it matters. Do your duty. Get the vaccine. Wash your hands. Wear a mask in public and indoors. Socially distance when possible. Reduce the possibility of you being infected. Tell, ask, and expect everyone you know to do the same.

[Lord McBuckethead]

My wife is an RN supervisor. Her job and all other RN's job in Mississippi totally suck again now due to the unvaccinated folks. The vaccination helps keep you out of the hospital.

Unvaxxed people, "That is her problem, nothing to do with me." Probably.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Couple of things
If someone test positive on September 2020 but dies due to another reason it's counted as covid death because they were on the covid positive list

Yeah, that is not how the death count works. Go talk to a doctor dealing with this on the front line, they are the ones that sign the reason of death. They will tell you.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No people don't get the shot because they are terrible at making informed decisions. They do not understand statistics. They do not understand how the vaccine was produced and developed. They do not understand the trial process, efficacy rates, etc.

There is only one thing anyone needs to know. Get the vaccine. Socially distance. Wash your hands. Reduce your opportunities to get infected. Wear a mask. Stay home if you feel ill.
Those are the things we can control. Those few simple steps are our duty.

So......they don't understand the process, the possible effects, or the fact that it actually doesn't protect from contracting it but they need to get it anyways. Not because they did their own research and came to their own PERSONAL decision, but because Lord McBuckethead called them a "moron from Mississippi" on a message board. Have I got it right? And btw, I decided to get it recently, but trust me you were not on the list of reasons why I did. Nor was my "duty"

[Lord McBuckethead]

This is what I’m beginning to think as well. Again, I’m not anti vaxx. But what is being released now is saying that getting the vaccine ultimately will keep you out of the hospital. That’s it. So even the patriots that have the vaccine can still spread it. So in the end it’s a personal choice.

When I see data that suggests to me that that vaccine anti bodies are better for me than the anti bodies that I currently have from actually having covid then I will most likely get it. Until then I don’t see the benefit of me getting it to anyone around me.

No. What is being released now is a circumstance of a new variant hitting the streets. Notice how before 3 weeks ago, we had 6 months of relative stability and vaccinated people had a damn good track record? That is because although the vaccine still helps against Alpha, and helps with hospitalization numbers against Delta, it may be having an issue with lowering the viral load of the delta variant.

Booster shots will be coming down the pipeline to address it.

Again, if everyone would get the damn shot, we eliminate the danger of widespread hospitalization. When we get a booster, we will then up our chances to eliminate the potential infection pool and then kick its ass. The way the strain variants are popping up, I could see this as a worldwide every 6 months booster thing for years if not for the rest of our lives.

[Jarius]

No people don't get the shot because they are terrible at making informed decisions. They do not understand statistics. They do not understand how the vaccine was produced and developed. They do not understand the trial process, efficacy rates, etc.

There is only one thing anyone needs to know. Get the vaccine. Socially distance. Wash your hands. Reduce your opportunities to get infected. Wear a mask. Stay home if you feel ill.
Those are the things we can control. Those few simple steps are our duty.

If you would quit saying stupid stuff like “get the vaccine and continue to wear a mask”people would possibly take you more seriously. No one that is vaccinated should be shamed into wearing a mask. Hell no one period should. If you don’t want the vaccine then take your chances. It is no one’s job here to protect you from your own stupidity. I will never wear a mask again for this crap. If a place requires it I will go somewhere else. I will never support this garbage virtue signaling. Ever. I am done with it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

So......they don't understand the process, the possible effects, or the fact that it actually doesn't protect from contracting it but they need to get it anyways. Not because they did their own research and came to their own PERSONAL decision, but because Lord McBuckethead called them a "moron from Mississippi" on a message board. Have I got it right? And btw, I decided to get it recently, but trust me you were not on the list of reasons why I did. Nor was my "duty"

Not a single vaccine protects you from contracting a virus. It trains your body to have an antibody response to the virus prior to it having a 20 day head start on your immune system. Not polio, not smallpox, not a single one keeps you from contracting a single virus.

And yes, if they do not understand how vaccines work at this point in time and are over the age of 12, they are a moron.

Look man, great you decided to get the vaccine. Hope you live long and stay healthy until you reach the age of 120. But to be frank, I am tired of dumbasses thinking their bullshit self-serving opinions on vaccines have one damn iota of importance in this discussion. This isn't about them. This isn't about me or you. Pandemics are about everyone and there are some actions that are a "Duty" just the same as the fight against communism, fascist, dictators, and fighting for the oppressed.

[Lord McBuckethead]

If you would quit saying stupid stuff like “get the vaccine and continue to wear a mask”people would possibly take you more seriously. No one that is vaccinated should be shamed into wearing a mask. Hell no one period should. If you don’t want the vaccine then take your chances. It is no one’s job here to protect you from your own stupidity. I will never wear a mask again for this crap. If a place requires it I will go somewhere else. I will never support this garbage virtue signaling. Ever. I am done with it.

Shame? Shame, you say? There is no shame into wearing a mask. IF the scientist, whom are studying this virus, and are the most credential individuals on the planet at dealing with viruses say that vaccinated people can carry a viral load and spread the disease to other people, then wearing a mask in public and indoors is not an option.

How hard is that to understand? If, due to the Delta variant, we learn that you could infect other people and 57% of the adults in our state are unvaccinated, and we want to continue to keep businesses up and running..... how do you not wear a mask? Is it itchy? Uncomfortable?

Or can we try our damnest to get all people vaccinated, so then if you don't wear a mask, at least you are not contributing directly to someone else's death.

[Jarius]

Shame? Shame, you say? There is no shame into wearing a mask. IF the scientist, whom are studying this virus, and are the most credential individuals on the planet at dealing with viruses say that vaccinated people can carry a viral load and spread the disease to other people, then wearing a mask in public and indoors is not an option.

How hard is that to understand? If, due to the Delta variant, we learn that you could infect other people and 57% of the adults in our state are unvaccinated, and we want to continue to keep businesses up and running..... how do you not wear a mask? Is it itchy? Uncomfortable?

Or can we try our damnest to get all people vaccinated, so then if you don't wear a mask, at least you are not contributing directly to someone else's death.

No one that is vaccinated is dying. I’m not wearing a mask any more. I don’t care if I spread it. I. Do. Not. Care. If I spread it to people that are not idiots, they are going to have mild cases or no symptoms at all. If I spread it to unvaccinated people, the are probably going to have the same, but may actually die. If they die because I gave it to them, that is their fault and I. Do. Not. Care. If we shut down the state again because unvaccinated people are dying (that has no chance of happening by the way) there should literally be a revolt to take over the state because that is an unacceptable response to people willingly killings themselves. Now, how hard is that to understand you know it all jackass?

[Lord McBuckethead]

If you would quit saying stupid stuff like “get the vaccine and continue to wear a mask”people would possibly take you more seriously. No one that is vaccinated should be shamed into wearing a mask. Hell no one period should. If you don’t want the vaccine then take your chances. It is no one’s job here to protect you from your own stupidity. I will never wear a mask again for this crap. If a place requires it I will go somewhere else. I will never support this garbage virtue signaling. Ever. I am done with it.

Cool man. Keep that attitude. See you when they lock everything back down, cause they will if it reaches enough infections.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No one that is vaccinated is dying. I’m not wearing a mask any more. I don’t care if I spread it. I. Do. Not. Care. If I spread it to people that are not idiots, they are going to have mild cases or no symptoms at all. If I spread it to unvaccinated people, the are probably going to have the same, but may actually die. If they die because I gave it to them, that is their fault and I. Do. Not. Care. If we shut down the state again because unvaccinated people are dying there should literally be a revolt to take over the state because that is an unacceptable response to people willingly killings themselves.

Massachussets begs to differ. No one from Alpha Covid is dying, but a pretty good clip of people vaccinated in Massachussetts is dying of Delta and in pretty bad shape.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

They have a really high vaccination rate, but Delta ran through them pretty good in a 7 day period. 80 people died, all vaccinated.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not a single vaccine protects you from contracting a virus. It trains your body to have an antibody response to the virus prior to it having a 20 day head start on your immune system. Not polio, not smallpox, not a single one keeps you from contracting a single virus.

And yes, if they do not understand how vaccines work at this point in time and are over the age of 12, they are a moron.

Look man, great you decided to get the vaccine. Hope you live long and stay healthy until you reach the age of 120. But to be frank, I am tired of dumbasses thinking their bullshit self-serving opinions on vaccines have one damn iota of importance in this discussion. This isn't about them. This isn't about me or you. Pandemics are about everyone and there are some actions that are a "Duty" just the same as the fight against communism, fascist, dictators, and fighting for the oppressed.

Hmm.....just like you giving your opinion?

[Lord McBuckethead]

No one that is vaccinated is dying. I’m not wearing a mask any more. I don’t care if I spread it. I. Do. Not. Care. If I spread it to people that are not idiots, they are going to have mild cases or no symptoms at all. If I spread it to unvaccinated people, the are probably going to have the same, but may actually die. If they die because I gave it to them, that is their fault and I. Do. Not. Care. If we shut down the state again because unvaccinated people are dying (that has no chance of happening by the way) there should literally be a revolt to take over the state because that is an unacceptable response to people willingly killings themselves. Now, how hard is that to understand you know it all jackass?

What if you spread it to my daughter who is only 8?

[Quaoarsking]

No one that is vaccinated is dying. I?m not wearing a mask any more. I don?t care if I spread it. I. Do. Not. Care. If I spread it to people that are not idiots, they are going to have mild cases or no symptoms at all. If I spread it to unvaccinated people, the are probably going to have the same, but may actually die. If they die because I gave it to them, that is their fault and I. Do. Not. Care. If we shut down the state again because unvaccinated people are dying (that has no chance of happening by the way) there should literally be a revolt to take over the state because that is an unacceptable response to people willingly killings themselves. Now, how hard is that to understand you know it all jackass?

That's a really shitty way to live. I would be beside myself if I gave someone a fatal disease, even if I did everything right and they did everything wrong and I really shouldn't be blamed. I'd still be really upset to be the one who caused it.

[Jarius]

Massachussets begs to differ. No one from Alpha Covid is dying, but a pretty good clip of people vaccinated in Massachussetts is dying of Delta and in pretty bad shape.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

They have a really high vaccination rate, but Delta ran through them pretty good in a 7 day period. 80 people died, all vaccinated.

Ok. Let me change my sentence structure. Almost no one is dying from COVID that is vaccinated. I’m not wearing a mask just like I have not worn my mask during flu season throughout my life (and you didn’t either) when almost no one died from the flu every year. I’m not going through my life in bubble wrap. If you want to then go ahead. Telling other people they should go through the rest of their life looking like bubble boy when we have an extremely highly effective vaccine available for anyone who wants it makes you a jackass. Period.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Hmm.....just like you giving your opinion?

My opinion that Getting a Vaccine (Scientifically proven fact for 75 years and eradicated or otherwise destroyed viruses like Polio and Smallpox), washing your hands (duh), socially distancing (no shit), and wearing a mask (doctors have been doing it for 100 years) all reduce the spread and future potential deaths is an issue?

If it is for you, then there is nothing anyone can say that will convince you that the emperor has no clothes and I am sorry.

All of those methods are the only control we have over a vaccine.

[Jarius]

You call people idiots for not getting a vaccine because of how effective it is and then your response to why we should all be wearing masks is that the vaccine isn’t effective in Massachusetts and a bunch of vaccinated people are dying. How can someone possibly take you seriously with that stance?