So... This NIL Thing Ain't Gonna Work

[Cowbell]

What exactly is wrong (or almost right as you say) with a player being paid money? Their talents are marketable.

Even the NFL has a salary cap for a reason

[Bdawg]

What exactly is wrong (or almost right as you say) with a player being paid money? Their talents are marketable.

If everything was going to be on the up and up, it would be fine. Athletes would be paid what they are worth from a business. But there is no way in hell this will be this way. Rich boosters and businesses will get word to athletes that they will pay the most in order to build/buy a team for their school. Got nothing to do with how marketable they are. Athletes will get paid way over what is market value if they think said athlete will be a good player. Just need 4 or 5 stars by your name. And money men will do whatever it takes to make sure athletes know what they can get before they even get in school. Will be a bidding war behind the scenes on what booster or business can get the athlete the most money. The rich schools will build a better team while the poor schools fall by the way side. Bye bye old school college football.

[Quaoarsking]

If everything was going to be on the up and up, it would be fine. Athletes would be paid what they are worth from a business. But there is no way in hell this will be this way. Rich boosters and businesses will get word to athletes that they will pay the most in order to build/buy a team for their school. Got nothing to do with how marketable they are. Athletes will get paid way over what is market value if they think said athlete will be a good player. Just need 4 or 5 stars by your name. And money men will do whatever it takes to make sure athletes know what they can get before they even get in school. Will be a bidding war behind the scenes on what booster or business can get the athlete the most money. The rich schools will build a better team while the poor schools fall by the way side. Bye bye old school college football.

Everything you're describing already happens. Better to have it out there in the open than behind the scenes and wink-wink-denied.

[sack07]

Even the NFL has a salary cap for a reason

And MLB doesn?t, so?,

It is really not going to be the doom and gloom you all propose. Once the newness wears off, how much money do you think these boosters are actually going to shell out? They are in a position to pay players because, in general, they have good business acumen. It is not good business to pay for a whole college football team. Will big time players get some money? Absolutely. But those guys are going to the same 6 schools anyway. If anything, this gives other schools a chance if they have a good NIL program in place.

[OLJWales]

And MLB doesn?t, so?,

It is really not going to be the doom and gloom you all propose. Once the newness wears off, how much money do you think these boosters are actually going to shell out? They are in a position to pay players because, in general, they have good business acumen. It is not good business to pay for a whole college football team. Will big time players get some money? Absolutely. But those guys are going to the same 6 schools anyway. If anything, this gives other schools a chance if they have a good NIL program in place.

This is a retarded post.

[Lord McBuckethead]

We have new rules in place. We better learn them, master them, and learn to exploit them. If we don't then we better go ahead and switch our focus to badminton

[Bdawg]

Everything you're describing already happens. Better to have it out there in the open than behind the scenes and wink-wink-denied.

To a certain extent. But when it's legal and there are no penalties for it, the bigger markets, colleges in bigger cities, whoever has the most money is going to have an even bigger advantage than what is going on now. The gap will keep getting worse. I thought college sports were about tryin to create a level playing field. This just makes it worse than it already is.

[Johnson85]

What exactly is wrong (or almost right as you say) with a player being paid money? Their talents are marketable.

College sports are essentially an arms race, so without the ability to agree to some sort of salary cap, the value that is mostly created by the university brands is almost exclusively going to be captured by people/entities other than the universities. Not the worst tragedy in the world, just not good.

[RiverCityDawg]

We have new rules in place. We better learn them, master them, and learn to exploit them. If we don't then we better go ahead and switch our focus to badminton

It's really this simple.

[coachnorm]

The thread indicates the NIL rules won't work. There is a litigation evolution in this regards and there was a victor and the vanquished. Simply, it works for some and not others. The NCAA has lost its credibility with the government, the courts, and the public as a whole. Because of the moral credibility loss, the courts have treated the NCAA as morally bankrupt and stripped it of regulating issues like NIL. Believe it or not, the Reggie Bush issue has exposed the NCAA especially when the courts forced it to grant access of its mainframe to Todd Nair's attorneys. Then the courts ordered public access to all discoveries found by Nair's legal team. Because of legal evolution of late, the NCAA is a shadow of itself because of its legal perceptions, and has lost a lot of ability to govern unfettered.

[confucius say]

You aren't paying attention. Read the paper. Miami is just the beginning....

Let me know when that comes to fruition

[confucius say]

The ncaa is made up of its member schools.
Those member schools are not required to give athletic scholarships. Maybe just enact a rule that reduces a player's scholarship by the amount received from NIL? That wouldn't run afoul of the courts antitrust holding in the Alston case (which after reading that case, the entire case was predicated on the belief that the ncaa has a monopoly on college Athletics and can dictate terms, despite the existence of other competing entities, which I'm not sure I agree with).

[MedDawg]

Let's do this for baseball--a SuperPAC to ensure all 35 roster spots have tuition and room/board covered. We can then essentially offer each baseball recruit a full scholarship, although it would be covered by the SuperPAC and not the school. Then the stars of the team separately get whatever they can.

[Homedawg]

Let's do this for baseball--a SuperPAC to ensure all 35 roster spots have tuition and room/board covered. We can then essentially offer each baseball recruit a full scholarship, although it would be covered by the SuperPAC and not the school. Then the stars of the team separately get whatever they can.

That sounds great. Now you have officially volunteered to raise 700k per year to fund your proposal.

[confucius say]

Let's do this for baseball--a SuperPAC to ensure all 35 roster spots have tuition and room/board covered. We can then essentially offer each baseball recruit a full scholarship, although it would be covered by the SuperPAC and not the school. Then the stars of the team separately get whatever they can.

Really wouldn't be hard. 12 out of state players on full ride. Put 200k in a super pac. Put 20 in state non scholly guys in a commercial and pay each 10k to cover tuition. Fudge the numbers as necessary, may need 350k some years depending on number of out of state kids.

[confucius say]

That sounds great. Now you have officially volunteered to raise 700k per year to fund your proposal.

You could do it for half that easy. We could get 350 people worldwide to give 1,000 dollars each easily. I would for sure.

[R2Dawg]

What exactly is wrong (or almost right as you say) with a player being paid money? Their talents are marketable.

Many will not see this but it is the truth. You have to believe in absolute truth vs relative moralism.

Money corrupts people. The love of money is the root of all evil. Money is not bad but misuse, abuse, etc. is. I am pro free market but limits on things are good to contain man's corruption. That is why there are antitrust laws to keep from one entity from controlling people, a market, etc. There would be oppression is one group had too much power. Kinda like what we are seeing with our culture now so it isn't surprising this is happening. This will not be fair and it will be abused. That is neither entertaining or good practice. Do you want to watch Bama win 10 more in a row after Saban leaves? Get ready here it comes.

People act like they aren't getting paid. They are getting paid very well in scholarships and a ton of benefits. What about paying high school kids to play sports? Where does it stop. That is why it is amateur sports and why you have professional sports.

[MedDawg]

That sounds great. Now you have officially volunteered to raise 700k per year to fund your proposal.

35 roster spots less 11.7 NCAA scholarships = 23.3 unfulfilled scholarships.

23.3 x $24,000 cost of attendance at MSU = $559,200 per year.

State fans/boosters/companies could raise that easily and put it into a SuperPAC to distribute among the 23.3 players. One 'cigar boy' could probably fund that.

Other richer schools could also do that but very few would for baseball.

[Homedawg]

35 roster spots less 11.7 NCAA scholarships = 23.3 unfulfilled scholarships.

23.3 x $24,000 cost of attendance at MSU = $559,200 per year.

State fans/boosters/companies could raise that easily and put it into a SuperPAC to distribute among the 23.3 players. One 'cigar boy' could probably fund that.

Other richer schools could also do that but very few would for baseball.

So we just gonna get in state players????Either way. Get it done

[MedDawg]

So we just gonna get in state players????Either way. Get it done

What makes my post for only in-state players? The $24k number? I just googled MSU cost of attendance and that figure came up.

If we need more for out of state players then we will have to raise more. I initially posted $840,000 per year for all 35 players, but of course the school would cover the first 11.7 scholarships. So maybe the $800k figure is more accurate to account for out-of-state tuition. That is still doable.