Someone please make me feel ok about basketball going forward

[thf24]

Engie I think you should put down the statistics and actually WATCH the team play basketball. If you can stand it. Your stats are ****ed anyways. We were brutally awful shooting the basketball last year to the tune of 40% fg and 28% 3s and yes we have improved but ****ing Christ man we were ranked like 310th in the nation in shooting last year and we are ranked 171st this year does not mean we'll be ranked 30th in the nation in shooting next year. The fact you're even trying to imply that shocks me man. Come on man you're better than that. The first gains from hell will always be the highest. You can't keep improving at the same rate. It's like impossible brother. Math and shit.

Have you actually WATCHED the guy you want to cut make 35% of his 3 point attempts in the past month? Yeah, we're not good right now. No one is arguing that we are. But it's also clear that we're improving.

[Coach34]

Have you actually WATCHED the guy you want to cut make 35% of his 3 point attempts in the past month? Yeah, we're not good right now. No one is arguing that we are. But it's also clear that we're improving.

and people wonder why I have made so many "I told you so" posts over the years- this thread is a perfect example

[tcdog70]

Oh really? Because I thought his point was to be patient and let's see what Ray does once he has his 2nd and 3rd recruiting class hit the floor

Davis and Applewhite were his first recruiting class, Ready is his second.

[Coach34]

Davis and Applewhite were his first recruiting class, Ready is his second.

No....just no

You dont hire a guy in April and then after it takes him some time at his new job- he manages sign a couple of leftovers late because he needs the bodies. Thats not a recruiting class. Dont be stupid.

[Dawg61]

and people wonder why I have made so many "I told you so" posts over the years- this thread is a perfect example

I'm wondering when the C34 I knew for eight years is coming back? Ya know the one that posted over 25,000 posts against Stansbury. You can love Ray all you want but it'd be nice to get your basketball input back.

[tcdog70]

Context is king, my friend. As I said, I am not comparing Davis to other point guard recruits in the country. I am comparing him to Moore which is what Dawg61 freely did. I agree that Ray hasn't brought in great talent, but any former point guard can see Jacoby has a good skill set. He just needs experience and to learn the pace of the college game. Decision-making will catch up with those things. He will never be all SEC, but my argument was that his contribution to MSU will be much higher than Moore's.

Did you watch our last Game? Davis had four straight trips down the floor where he bricked it or threw it the 17 away. We went down 9 points in that span. Wilson really isn't a post player but he can play some power forward. Hell, Adrian Dantley was 6'4" and so was Charles Barkley. I don't see why Wilson should get a few more minutes. In the game I've seen He blocks out, rebounds, doesn't turn it over and best of all he defends. I guess Alabama didn't have any players worth a shit so they just gave MR BASKETBALL to that No-talented Bear Wilson***.

[mic]

Here is a simple answer to this question...
Rick Ray is a better X and O coach than Stands period
Our team plays harder and RR gets more out of his players than prob 80% of the teams Stands had.

But he has to recruit better or find a way to get more W's or year 4 will be his last..

[tcdog70]

No....just no

You dont hire a guy in April and then after it takes him some time at his new job- he manages sign a couple of leftovers late because he needs the bodies. Thats not a recruiting class. Dont be stupid.

That is your Opinion. he has actually had 2 regular recruitings and an early signing.Do you think he wasn't recruiting players when he was at Clemson as was his main man Flanigan. But keep spinning and people that don't know better might think You no what you are talking about.

[tcdog70]

Here is a simple answer to this question...
Rick Ray is a better X and O coach than Stands period
Our team plays harder and RR gets more out of his players than prob 80% of the teams Stands had.

But he has to recruit better or find a way to get more W's or year 4 will be his last..

I call Bull Shit. Give an example of Ray's Xs and Os being better. I have not seen it.I have seen Ready, Bloodman and Davis look like a BullFighter with their olays. They just stand back watch their player drive in for easy bunnies. More teams get wide ass opens 3s than I have ever seen at MSU.R Johnson doesn't hustle that is why Ray jerks Him out of game.

So you are saying-Bost, Hood, Moultrie ,Varnado, Stewart, and the list can go on and on didn't play hard?

[Coach34]

I'm wondering when the C34 I knew for eight years is coming back? Ya know the one that posted over 25,000 posts against Stansbury. You can love Ray all you want but it'd be nice to get your basketball input back.

I'm not sure what you want from me. Ray has been facing a total rebuild, players that wont stop smoking dope, and injuries.

The guy can coach. We do a great job in our zone offense. We cant shoot worth a shit yet we still manage to break zone defenses down to get shots. We dont just launch 30 3-pointers vs a zone like we did under Stands because they didnt understand how to attack a zone.

We come out of time-outs and get good shots that you can tell were drawn up in the huddle.
We get to the FT line at home because we attack the basket- which is this team's strength.
We defend pretty well but struggle with rebounding alot due to size and lack of depth
Davis is a better player than a Twanny Beckham- whom we have signed in the past. He's a freshman playing his 1st college basketball coming off a knee injury. He will get better. Just like Ware will, and Sword, and FTF, and so on

Judge Ray on the next 2 seasons- that will tell you what you need to know

[Coach34]

I call Bull Shit. Give an example of Ray's Xs and Os being better. I have not seen it.

Then you havent watched or you cant comprehend it

Our zone offense under Ray compared to Stands is light years ahead. Stands team used to stand around and pass around the perimeter vs zones and launch 25-30 3 pointers. That was the zone offense.

Ray's team moves ball, overloads a side, sets screens to penetrate, and does all kinds of things to attack zone defenses

It's literally like not even close.

[Coach34]

Did you watch our last Game? Davis had four straight trips down the floor where he bricked it or threw it the 17 away. We went down 9 points in that span. Wilson really isn't a post player but he can play some power forward. Hell, Adrian Dantley was 6'4" and so was Charles Barkley. I don't see why Wilson should get a few more minutes. In the game I've seen He blocks out, rebounds, doesn't turn it over and best of all he defends. I guess Alabama didn't have any players worth a shit so they just gave MR BASKETBALL to that No-talented Bear Wilson***.

Wilson's very 1st trip down the floor vs Kentucky he gave up an offensive rebound and put back right over him. You guys need to stop telling everybody what he was in HS and watch him play

[Dawg61]

I'm not sure what you want from me. Ray has been facing a total rebuild, players that wont stop smoking dope, and injuries.

The guy can coach. We do a great job in our zone offense. We cant shoot worth a shit yet we still manage to break zone defenses down to get shots. We dont just launch 30 3-pointers vs a zone like we did under Stands because they didnt understand how to attack a zone.

We come out of time-outs and get good shots that you can tell were drawn up in the huddle.
We get to the FT line at home because we attack the basket- which is this team's strength.
We defend pretty well but struggle with rebounding alot due to size and lack of depth
Davis is a better player than a Twanny Beckham- whom we have signed in the past. He's a freshman playing his 1st college basketball coming off a knee injury. He will get better. Just like Ware will, and Sword, and FTF, and so on

Judge Ray on the next 2 seasons- that will tell you what you need to know

That's exactly what I want from ya. Your basketball input. Thank you.

[Coach34]

That is your Opinion. he has actually had 2 regular recruitings and an early signing..

No, Just No

There was no opinion in what I said. He got here in April after being hired. And then he had to meet people on campus, meet boosters, meet his new team, evaluate on film what he had on said team, and then decide what in the hell he could find out there to bring in at a very late date. Basketball players sign in Nov and then it opens back up in March for the rest who are still unsigned. There is very little left to sign by mid to late April. That's not opinion- that's fact.

All you do is show an agenda when you act like he had time to get a recruiting class together at that late of a date

[Dawg61]

Agreed on Ray having a better offense in the half-court than Stansbury but Stans had far superior players that more than made up that difference. Put our #2 seed team with this offense and we beat anyone but Xavier that year.

[Irondawg]

Zone offense is better under Ray but I still don't consider it good. IMO ball movement is still a touch too slow and I really think we should utilize the high post a bit more. Like many of Stans teams we're still not a very good passing team and there isn't a lot of natural basketball IQ out there - but that's not a problem limited to MSU. AAU is destroying that and you can see it across all of college basketball.

Purely X&O from what I've seen, I think Ray is a solid coach. Nothing spectacular but far from inept. So that means it all comes down to if he can get his talent level up with players that fit his style and requirements. That's a lot tougher to do in the Southeast than many of you make it.

Let's use Southern Miss' recent return to small relevance in the sport as an example. They have all of 3 players from the Southeast. And of those 3 only two get PT and account for about 12 points and 5 rebounds combined.

[engie]

And we've all read your replies 1,000 times before. We get it. You think Ray = Cohen. And you think anyone who doesn't agree is stupid. We get it, engie. Your shit smells like ****ing roses.

No. And I'd love a link to me saying such.

I think Ray deserves a fair shake starting out -- like Cohen deserved a fair shake he didn't get. But our dumbass fans are taking the same dumbass approach -- simply makng the rebuild longer and hurting what they profess to love.

[engie]

So, you are comparing Ray to someone we couldn't possibly hope to hire. Got it**

[engie]

So far after 2 years he has Ready to show for His efforts.

This is a perfect example of skewing toward an agenda.

[engie]

Davis and Applewhite were his first recruiting class, Ready is his second.

Further example of skewing for an agenda.