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11-28-2020, 11:32 PM
#121
Originally Posted by
Percho
It's limited because of Fr LT Fr QB Fr WR Fr RB's and because of reps at practice.
Not to mention the culture problems. The players are way more focused now than they were
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11-28-2020, 11:33 PM
#122
Originally Posted by
msstate7
We've clearly been better the last few years.
Did you (or anyone here) say OM had passed us as a program preseason? No
No but it never came to mind until you mentioned it. Aside from very recent years OM is ahead of us. Even in recent years they've typically been ahead of us in talent as well. OM recruits itself well. You can argue ethics but the point still stands.
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11-28-2020, 11:35 PM
#123
Originally Posted by
Cowbell
I'm taking scheme and play calling. There is not enough deception in this offense to slow down fast defenses. It will have to be adjusted to do anything memorable here. But I love our young players.
This offense isn't about deception. And sidebar- I think that really only masks so much anyway. How many times did Ole Miss screw up today because they had three or four guys going in motion and did two or three fakes and we still typically stopped it.
Leach is about running the same play so many times that the players know them in and out so well that they become almost impossible to defend. That's why he has had success everywhere else and why year one is usually rough. It's the Bruce Lee method of one kick perfectly 1000 times vs 1000 kicks one time.
That's why those of us that understand Leach are excited about the progress right now. Now if we're still getting shut out by Kentucky then yeah- maybe worry. But that's not what's happening right now. We're starting to execute and that will only get better with time and in our case experience. Rogers next year will be light years better than he is now...and imagine where he is going to be in 2023? Same with guys like Walley, Marks, Cross, and etc.
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11-28-2020, 11:39 PM
#124
Originally Posted by
Matt3467
No but it never came to mind until you mentioned it. Aside from very recent years OM is ahead of us. Even in recent years they've typically been ahead of us in talent as well. OM recruits itself well. You can argue ethics but the point still stands.
By my count we are 16-14 against them on the field since 1991. 17-17 since 1987. For context with this discussion.
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11-28-2020, 11:43 PM
#125
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
By my count we are 16-14 against them on the field since 1991. 17-17 since 1987. For context with this discussion.
This year should have an asterisk or not count
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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11-28-2020, 11:47 PM
#126
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
This year should have an asterisk or not count
No different than Ole Miss wins in 2014, 15, or 17.
To me, it is what it is. Ultimately this loss goes back to Moorhead's horrible culture and Mullen's terrible recruiting four-five years ago. Part of this we did to ourselves if we're being honest. But at least I feel like we are moving forward in the right direction now.
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11-28-2020, 11:49 PM
#127
Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
Dan won 10 games once, Jackie won 10 games once, and Leach has won 11 and 10 games a his previous 2 stops.
So yeah, I'd say our ceiling under Leach is about the same as our ceiling always has been
That's not what the previous poster said. Some of you guys need to learn how to comprehend and follow a discussion. He said 6-8. I'm not arguing with him or you.
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11-28-2020, 11:55 PM
#128
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
This offense isn't about deception. And sidebar- I think that really only masks so much anyway. How many times did Ole Miss screw up today because they had three or four guys going in motion and did two or three fakes and we still typically stopped it.
Leach is about running the same play so many times that the players know them in and out so well that they become almost impossible to defend. That's why he has had success everywhere else and why year one is usually rough. It's the Bruce Lee method of one kick perfectly 1000 times vs 1000 kicks one time.
That's why those of us that understand Leach are excited about the progress right now. Now if we're still getting shut out by Kentucky then yeah- maybe worry. But that's not what's happening right now. We're starting to execute and that will only get better with time and in our case experience. Rogers next year will be light years better than he is now...and imagine where he is going to be in 2023? Same with guys like Walley, Marks, Cross, and etc.
I have followed leach since his days at Kentucky, I've read his books. I love the guy -was excited about the hire. But his offensive creativity has all but stopped the last decade. He is going to have to update it some for us to reach our potential. You can understand Leach and still not agree with his scheme. All of his assistants who have went on to have more success than him have made taken his principals and added more layers to take advantage of all situations that may arise in a game.
"Those of us that understand Leach" - get out of here with that man.
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11-28-2020, 11:57 PM
#129
Originally Posted by
Coach34
Maybe you guys will be right for a change. But the fact this site exists is because I've been right more than not. I dont think the Leach experiment works out. I may be wrong- but you mf'ers know I'm right alot more than I'm wrong. Hobby Lobby
The fact that you misspelled a lot in a sentence proclaiming to be right is hilarious to me. Maybe you will figure it all out in another 22 years.
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11-29-2020, 12:10 AM
#130
Originally Posted by
Coach34
If you are happy about today- I dont know what to tell you.
Kiffin gave up 3 easy FG's because of "analytics" which would have given them 37-40 points
We scored 24 points against one of the worst defenses in the country.
Vandy scored 21
SC scored 42
Auburn 35
UPig 33
Bama 63
Kentucky 41
Florida 51
Cant wait for more of this awful shit next year
Put all your freshmen on offense and see what happens big shot. You're the biggest ****ing tool shed in our fan base.
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11-29-2020, 12:23 AM
#131
Originally Posted by
Coach34
Players fumble all the time. The post is 100% and if you are happy about today you are a moron
If there is one thing we can bank on, its coach's hot takes about our coaches.
I am happy that our 49 damn players, suited up and battled. 17 everyone else. And 17 this entire thread. I would love to see 34 line up against a spread team with less than half the talent you had to start the season with these restrictions along with random folks being out week to week.
What a stupid, shortsighted take.
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11-29-2020, 12:25 AM
#132
Originally Posted by
shrimp
The fact that you misspelled a lot in a sentence proclaiming to be right is hilarious to me. Maybe you will figure it all out in another 22 years.
Yeah, he has basically forgot what life, college, and football is all about. Drank the cool-aid, 34 has.
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11-29-2020, 12:28 AM
#133
Originally Posted by
Cowbell
I have followed leach since his days at Kentucky, I've read his books. I love the guy -was excited about the hire. But his offensive creativity has all but stopped the last decade. He is going to have to update it some for us to reach our potential. You can understand Leach and still not agree with his scheme. All of his assistants who have went on to have more success than him have made taken his principals and added more layers to take advantage of all situations that may arise in a game.
"Those of us that understand Leach" - get out of here with that man.
Well, sorry but you clearly don't understand his philosophy.
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11-29-2020, 12:35 AM
#134
Senior Member
Originally Posted by
Cowbell
It's not that there's an ac to grind. But it's clear that our offense is very limited and not because of talent. That's only obvious to those that want to see it. Hopefully adaptations are part of the offseason.
What would our record be so far this year if we swapped rosters with Bama on offense? What do you suppose the ceiling would be?
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11-29-2020, 12:37 AM
#135
Originally Posted by
DeltaChicagoDog
What would our record be so far this year if we swapped rosters with Bama on offense? What do you suppose the ceiling would be?
I doubt he responds
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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11-29-2020, 01:31 AM
#136
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
Big difference in being happy with outcome of the game vs being happy with the direction of the program. Big difference.
Even if you two are not the same person, I am convinced you are.
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11-29-2020, 08:08 AM
#137
Originally Posted by
Cowbell
You don't pay 5 mil for a 7-8 win ceiling
It's the cost of doing business in the SEC. You might as well bitch about the cost of bread and milk.
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11-29-2020, 08:11 AM
#138
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
I doubt he responds
Why would he? Is leach gonna start bringing in #1 classes?
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11-29-2020, 10:27 AM
#139
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Why would he? Is leach gonna start bringing in #1 classes?
Will any coach ever bring in #1 classes at MSU. If you can't see the improvements this team has made in the last two weeks, I don't know what to tell you. Some people just can't help but to bitch.
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11-29-2020, 10:38 AM
#140
Originally Posted by
Coach34
If you are happy about today- I dont know what to tell you.
Kiffin gave up 3 easy FG's because of "analytics" which would have given them 37-40 points
We scored 24 points against one of the worst defenses in the country.
Vandy scored 21
SC scored 42
Auburn 35
UPig 33
Bama 63
Kentucky 41
Florida 51
Cant wait for more of this awful shit next year
I agree Lee, this was terrible. Must be awful to be an OM fan today and to know that they nearly gave up the win on the final play against an MSU team this bad. I mean, this is the worst MSU team in nearly 20 years and they barely secured a win at home. Seems like a bad day for OM fans as well.
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