Where are the insiders

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Guys, we have the Baltimore Ravens openly calling for the arrest of the officer just a day after the incident and before the investigation is completed and the facts are released. This is incredible.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

In 2019, police shot 14 unarmed black men (some were justified and some were not). In 2019, black males committed over 5000 murders. Tell me again what our problem is? What should we be protesting? Who should Lebron James fear the most statistically?

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Each and every case stands alone and people that are in the wrong must be held accountable. But there are some big lies out there that are taken as fact with absolutely no search for the truth.

[chef dixon]

Young black men say they are often targeted or profiled by police. As an old white man I can't refute that and since so many say that I assume it is true. I admire the team for speaking out. Maybe with the Blake incident it's a little misguided but when I see the comments to our team on social media I think them speaking out against hate and racism is warranted.

This is how you should be looking at. I applaud your willingness to admit you can't know what's best for them or what they experience.

[Jarius]

This is how you should be looking at. I applaud your willingness to admit you can't know what's best for them or what they experience.

There is absolutely nothing statistically to back up these claims, which is why most people call bullshit. When 12 % of the population makes up over 50 % of violent crimes they are going to have more run ins with the law. How about putting yourself in the position of the police officers that have to try and keep law and order with people like our football Team demanding they be brought to justice for doing their job when those people have no clue what they are talking about or what it is like to make a split decision that will determine whether or not you go home to your family. The issue is that people believe they should be able to resist and fight police officers without fear of being hurt or killed. That is 100 % BS. When you break the law and the officer is arresting you, comply with him or you run a high risk of getting your ass killed. The lack of respect for authority is what gets people killed in almost every single case we have seen protested. It’s ridiculous. Please, go on a ride along with a police officer for a couple of days, or just go sit and talk with some police officers. Your opinion may change. These people deal with the worst parts of society on a DAILY basis. No one calls the police because everything is going smoothly. They walk into the most difficult situations with very little time to make a judgement call on a regular basis. They are not the ones who need to change.

[Dawgface]

Lets not let this thread devolve into a screenshot fest that the players will see. Nothing good will come of that.

Who gives a crap. I hope they see it!

[redstickdawg]

This is how you should be looking at. I applaud your willingness to admit you can't know what's best for them or what they experience.

Well I know that if they support a group, BLM, whose stated goal is killing cops I will no longer support them. I just saw a poster from a BLM riot last night that read "ALL MY HEROES KILL COPS" along with the dead cops now chant that is common at BLM riots there is nothing good or respectable about them.

This idiocy has gone on for far too long, the players support this and want to be part of it, so be it, my time and money will go elsewhere.

[Mobile Bay]

Players are tweeting about it.

[Dawgface]

It's abundantly clear that MSU has a ton of closed-minded fans. It is what it is. The world is changing, and it will leave you in the dust. So will MSU. Don't be left behind.

I'll gladly be left behind along with my money.

[BrunswickDawg]

This is how you should be looking at. I applaud your willingness to admit you can't know what's best for them or what they experience.

You and LC hit the nail on the head. And, I think Coach Leach's tweet about it exemplifies why they agreed and participated in the day out today.

I don't think most people understand how what is going on nationally impacts kids right now. Kids in college today (which includes my own kids) have grown up in a country actively at war their entire lives. Many of them grew up in families heavily impacted by the Great Recession. Lots of them have friends or family who have been killed in gun violence, or died from overdoses. They have been told their entire lives to trust the adults, trust in the teachings of God, to believe in doing the right thing - and at every turn we, the adults are failing them. Our leaders are corrupt. Our churches are judgmental and sanctimonious. Our police system shows us daily how out of whack and inconsistent it is - so that something as innocent as a traffic stop can lead to your death. They see that our belief in gun culture is so strong that we'd rather produce bullet proof backpacks and have shooter training in schools than try to do something meaningful about gun violence. Or hey, in my community you could be jogging a mile from your house and be chased and gunned down by three vigilante rednecks for stopping to check out a house under construction. Throw the pandemic and all the death and lunacy surrounding it, and these are very stressful times. It's confusing. It's scary as hell, they want it ALL to stop, and the protests have become the vehicle to show that. It's a vehicle to show that you recognize that there is a whole lot of F'd up stuff in this country right now and that they don't want to continue down these paths. And I don't blame them at all.

[FISHDAWG]

Screw that ... I sure don't need some college aged guys trying to give me lessons in life when they don't even bother to ascertain the facts or objectively think things through ... they are only doing this because of those professional idiots doing the same thing ..... I was taught in college to think for myself but I guess it's a totally different curriculum being pushed these days. Yes I can be pushed away - I'll simply go back to hunting on Saturdays like I used to do

ETA - was not replying to General Sherman ... meant to be a response to OP

[Lord McBuckethead]

Why not release it now with audio? Seriously. That would clear up some stuff.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Areas of poverty, violence, poor schools, drug use, and low SES have a strong correlation to the breakdown of the family unit and a lack of two parents in the home. The organization BLM opposes the family unit and says so on its website.

[chef dixon]

Well I know that if they support a group, BLM, whose stated goal is killing cops I will no longer support them. I just saw a poster from a BLM riot last night that read "ALL MY HEROES KILL COPS" along with the dead cops now chant that is common at BLM riots there is nothing good or respectable about them.

This idiocy has gone on for far too long, the players support this and want to be part of it, so be it, my time and money will go elsewhere.

That's the problem. People won't separate a peaceful protest with a simple message from diversion tactics and political smokescreens. Our players don't care about the organization BLM. They are using the phrase in the literal sense. Our players have no connection whatsoever with a bunch of white guys with skateboards looting and rioting. None. Yet people place that responsibility and what they read on a website about BLM at their feet when they decide to sit out of practice one day. Its absurd and shouldn't be that hard to separate the two, but this is the type of country we are living in right now.

[LC Dawg]

You and LC hit the nail on the head. And, I think Coach Leach's tweet about it exemplifies why they agreed and participated in the day out today.

I don't think most people understand how what is going on nationally impacts kids right now. Kids in college today (which includes my own kids) have grown up in a country actively at war their entire lives. Many of them grew up in families heavily impacted by the Great Recession. Lots of them have friends or family who have been killed in gun violence, or died from overdoses. They have been told their entire lives to trust the adults, trust in the teachings of God, to believe in doing the right thing - and at every turn we, the adults are failing them. Our leaders are corrupt. Our churches are judgmental and sanctimonious. Our police system shows us daily how out of whack and inconsistent it is - so that something as innocent as a traffic stop can lead to your death. They see that our belief in gun culture is so strong that we'd rather produce bullet proof backpacks and have shooter training in schools than try to do something meaningful about gun violence. Or hey, in my community you could be jogging a mile from your house and be chased and gunned down by three vigilante rednecks for stopping to check out a house under construction. Throw the pandemic and all the death and lunacy surrounding it, and these are very stressful times. It's confusing. It's scary as hell, they want it ALL to stop, and the protests have become the vehicle to show that. It's a vehicle to show that you recognize that there is a whole lot of F'd up stuff in this country right now and that they don't want to continue down these paths. And I don't blame them at all.

Very well put

[chef dixon]

There is absolutely nothing statistically to back up these claims, which is why most people call bullshit. When 12 % of the population makes up over 50 % of violent crimes they are going to have more run ins with the law. How about putting yourself in the position of the police officers that have to try and keep law and order with people like our football Team demanding they be brought to justice for doing their job when those people have no clue what they are talking about or what it is like to make a split decision that will determine whether or not you go home to your family. The issue is that people believe they should be able to resist and fight police officers without fear of being hurt or killed. That is 100 % BS. When you break the law and the officer is arresting you, comply with him or you run a high risk of getting your ass killed. The lack of respect for authority is what gets people killed in almost every single case we have seen protested. It’s ridiculous. Please, go on a ride along with a police officer for a couple of days, or just go sit and talk with some police officers. Your opinion may change. These people deal with the worst parts of society on a DAILY basis. No one calls the police because everything is going smoothly. They walk into the most difficult situations with very little time to make a judgement call on a regular basis. They are not the ones who need to change.

I don't want to discount polices officers. Their job is very hard. But there has to be a middle ground here and there has to be willingness for both sides to listen. I realize that's probably an impossible thing at this point.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Chef Dixon is correct right there. On any topic, the ability to listen to the other side and use common sense is a lost art in today?s climate

[Matt3467]

Areas of poverty, violence, poor schools, drug use, and low SES have a strong correlation to the breakdown of the family unit and a lack of two parents in the home. The organization BLM opposes the family unit and says so on its website.

They also admit that they (the leaders) are trained Marxists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyhy4IvkENg

That same woman (Patrisse Cullors) along with another BLM founder in LA (Dr Melina Abdullah) speak about calling, invoking, and resurrecting spirits in a zoom call on YouTube. BLM is a purely evil organization. Here's a few quotes from that zoom call:

“Maybe I’m saying too much but, we become very intimate with the spirits that we call on regularly. Each of them seems to have a different presence and personality, you know I laugh a lot with ?Wakisha? you know and I didn’t meet her in her body, I met her through this work.” - Dr. Melina Abdullah

“Hashtags for us are way more than a hashtag it is literally almost resurrecting spirits so they can work through us to get the work that we need to get done.” - Patrisse Cullors

There's loads more weird stuff. Here's the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEnerFMVaY

[Jarius]

I don't want to discount polices officers. Their job is very hard. But there has to be a middle ground here and there has to be willingness for both sides to listen. I realize that's probably an impossible thing at this point.

Look man you seem to be extremely level headed. I understand that these are young impressionable guys that are probably just fed up with all of the craziness going on right now. I am too. I'm willing to listen to a real solution to a problem that I personally don't even believe exists on a large scale if it will help the country move forward. I don't want to stop supporting MSU. It is something that has shaped and molded me and brought me closer to my dad for my entire life. They have given me my most precious memories in my life, outside of my wife and kids. I want a solution, but we can't continue to vilify the police. We can talk about changing policies and such, but most of the time these police officers are killing people within their own protocol, getting off for it, and then everyone is raising hell about them not being held accountable. Not knowing what a police officer is trained to do when you are being arrested and don't comply is killing a lot more people in this country than racist cops are. I feel like we have a lot of displaced anger towards people who are simply trying to do their job to the best of their ability. Cops are 100% aware of the current climate we are in. They are being preached to DAILY about how they can't do anything at all that can even remotely be seen as racist or unnecessary. They know the stakes. For people to think these guys with families are intentionally going out and targeting black people with the technology today to just put everything on film and catch you red handed is just not reality.

[Matt3467]

Funny i didn't see anyone protesting the 5 y/o that got shot last week by a grown man.

"Funny i didn't see anyone protesting the 5 y/o that got shot last week by a grown 'black' man."

I fixed it. The media wouldn't have an issue pointing that out if the roles were reversed. You don't hear much about the black man that shot and killed a white 21 y/o girl and her stepfather after he rear ended them in South Carolina and nearly attempted to kill another man at the scene. Racial tensions wouldn't be what they were if the media didn't selectively air only one side. Makes it seem like it's only black people being gunned down.