Re: Stella Immanuel, "Demon Sperm" is trending on Twitter this morning, lol.
Re: Stella Immanuel, "Demon Sperm" is trending on Twitter this morning, lol.
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
A little context would be pertinent here. She's from a place where witchcraft is practiced commonly and also she's a pastor. She's preaching against it. I doubt you're a christian but as far as the latter post is concerned Gen 6 is a common reference. Seems like a common thing for people nowadays to go and find something about someone's personal life they can use to discredit them. You and a few others on here are very good at that.
Based off his posts, he's much more "Christian" than most of these bible toting bigots on this thread. God sees through y'all's bullshit boys... he knows what's in your heart, and for most of you, it ain't good.
Context? Interesting...I'm wondering if such gymnastic graciousness would be awarded to someone opposite your political spectrum, in similar circumstances? I mean, you're justifying someone's beliefs of witchcraft and sex with demons...just typing that sounds ****ing nuts.
As far as "being from a place where witchcraft is practiced" and "a common thing for people nowadays to go and find something about someone's personal life to discredit them"....as you said, context matters...in this case, we're talking about medicine and science and its capacity to stop a deadly global pandemic. Someone peddling in such things as demon semen (that rhyming sounds like James Joyce**), Alien DNA, and mixing it all with prosperity-gospel is absolutely in-bounds for criticism, as it relates directly to that individual's credibility as a "doctor". And this person chose to thrust themselves into the public microscope, btw. This person is being promoted by many people very close to the President of the United States, including his oldest son. And on top of that, she's personally soliciting POTUS on Twitter. If that's not the definition of fair game, I don't know what is. Also, it's not like her comments were ancient history, either....just yesterday she was threatening Facebook and Twitter for censoring her posts containing misinformation re: both HCQ and mask wearing; she said all their websites would crash because that's what happens when you challenge God and Jesus. Not joking. I fail to see the benefit to "Western Medicine" that practices such as blood-letting, exorcisms, seances, happy-thoughts, etc. may have.
You said "you and a few others are very good at that" (re: discrediting people). Do me a favor and name a single person I've rooted-out/discredited/slandered in a way that wasn't absolutely germane to the topic of discussion. I'll look forward to this detective work.
"I doubt you're a christian but...". I found this comment interesting. What in my posts lead you to this conclusion? I don't even engage the overtly religious discussions that many posters have, so I'm at a loss. I avoid them actually.
Just fyi, I was raised Southern Baptist, which admittedly I never fit into. Then I went to college, met and married an Episcopal, and that's where I am now.
Yes, context. Someones personal beliefs outside of medicine doesn't matter as long as it stays outside of it. You bringing up her religious beliefs to slander her is a prime example of straying out of the context of medicine. She says she's personally treated 350 Covid patients across all spectrums and all have recovered with HCQ tx. Is it misinformation if she's used HCQ in her practice and it's worked? What can you say to that except say that she's lying? Btw she wasn't the only doctor up there saying the same things yet it's the black one that didn't meet your standards. Why not run background checks on the others while you're at it? "I fail to see the benefit to "Western Medicine" that practices such as blood-letting, exorcisms, seances, happy-thoughts, etc. may have," okay.....unless she's practicing this what purpose did you have bringing that up?
"Do me a favor and name a single person I've rooted-out/discredited/slandered in a way that wasn't absolutely germane to the topic of discussion. I'll look forward to this detective work." I'm glad you asked because I won't have to look far. You slandered me on page 41 of the COVID thread when I mentioned working in healthcare and not being ignorant (concerning COVID) by responding, "Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**." You called that a joke but I'm not an idiot as it was a sly remark to attempt to discredit any opinion I had on the matter.
"I don't even engage the overtly religious discussions that many posters have, so I'm at a loss. I avoid them actually." You jumped in that boat when you criticized someone else's religious beliefs and then tried using that to discredit their career.
You've been holding on to that for 202 pages (or 4 months) of this thread??? Jeez man, that's a heavy burden to be carrying around....
Ok, lets try to unpack all of this...
"Yes, context. Someones personal beliefs outside of medicine doesn't matter as long as it stays outside of it. You bringing up her religious beliefs to slander her is a prime example of straying out of the context of medicine."
I didn't make her religious beliefs paramount to her credibility; she did. Her Twitter bio reads, and I quote, "Physician, Author, Speaker, Entrepreneur, Deliverance Minister, God's battle axe and weapon of war." And it doesn't take long scrolling down through her twitter feed to see some rather controversial statements regarding medicine, it's application, science, and the lot. So, it's clear she's not separating her life as a doctor and her life as a prosperity-gospel/entrepreneur/sayer of crazy things regarding demons, aliens, and Fauci urine tests, thus, the public shouldn't either when vetting her expertise.
"She says she's personally treated 350 Covid patients across all spectrums and all have recovered with HCQ tx. Is it misinformation if she's used HCQ in her practice and it's worked? What can you say to that except say that she's lying?"
I definitely find her statements curious, as they seem to stand in contrast to the vast majority of scientific/medical consensus...so...as I said, I'm curious. Anyone can say anything, after all...and they often do, especially in front of video cameras. So, without taking her word for it, I would like to see the data, her methods, etc. I do find it odd that her supposed employer (http://www.rehobothmedicalcenter.com/), doesn't have a functional website. They do have a facebook page, however (https://www.facebook.com/Rehoboth-Me...0321995001608/), though it doesn't leave me brimming with trust.
"Btw she wasn't the only doctor up there saying the same things yet it's the black one that didn't meet your standards. Why not run background checks on the others while you're at it?"
This would be fair, if not for the fact I was responding directly to another poster who was referencing her directly. So that's that.
"okay.....unless she's practicing this what purpose did you have bringing that up?"
Because she is presenting herself as an authority on medicine, and more specifically, the treatment of COVID. She's not just saying HCQ works; she's saying it's the ****ing CURE, so no need to wear a mask....which is outlandish, non scientific, and potentially damaging to public health, yet none of that is surprising when taken in with other statements of hers (e.g., demon semen, alien DNA, etc.). And btw, if she was just some rube on the street saying this stuff, it wouldn't that big a deal, but since she's now being amplified by the ruler of the free world and several of his minions, those words have power, and thus require scrutiny.
"I'm glad you asked because I won't have to look far. You slandered me on page 41 of the COVID thread when I mentioned working in healthcare and not being ignorant (concerning COVID) by responding, "Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**." You called that a joke but I'm not an idiot as it was a sly remark to attempt to discredit any opinion I had on the matter."
It absolutely was a joke. A callus one, perhaps? Sure, but still a joke. I see you've been a member of ED since 2014, so I might've wrongly assumed you understood people sometimes joke hard here, and usually people take what they dish (myself included). However, if you noticed on page 40, I ask you directly to clarify this statement:
"And the difference in public response between the coronavirus and the flu is the msm over sensationalizing it causing people to panic. Ridiculous we can't go to a store now without waiting hours in line only to find out all the toilet paper just sold out and most of the meat, bread, and bottled water are gone as well. This is crazy and it's all because of our media."
...in which you were still equating COVID to the damn flu...to which you never responded. So yeah, I zinged you with a joke. If you do, in fact, empty out bedpans, I sincerely apologize for degrading what you do (see?...another joke; laugh a little). Granted, this was back in March, but there were a few of y'all still clamoring to die on that hill. Thanks for directing my attention back to the 40 page mark of this thread; it's quite interesting to see how things have changed, while some things haven't. Fascinating.
Now, I asked you to provide an example of where I have "rooted-out/discredited/slandered". I will contend that joke, if taken seriously, could be considered callus, even hateful; if one is devoid of humor, I suppose. However, to be clear, in that moment, you were an anonymous message board poster equating the severity and contagion of COVID to the common flu, something that even in March was soundly discredited. Our credentials aren't posted under our avatars, after all. Also, I sure hope you can see the difference between me zinging you with a joke on a message board me directing criticism to a person who is being platformed by POTUS and a number of his surrogates. Apples to bowling balls.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on whats contextual here. If she's a physician and her work is helping people then I don't care what her philosophical or religious beliefs are. As someone that works around dozens of doctors there are a few that have what some may consider "quack" views but that doesn't detract that several of them are excellent at what they do.
I get that if you said you believed what she said then you'd have to concede that HCQ is an effective method of treatment so it's not surprising that your approach is to be "curious" of her integrity and skeptical of her employer. On another note if what she says is true and all 350 of her Covid patients improved with HCQ treatment then would it be wrong of her to say that it's a "cure?" Here's an interesting poll taken several month back with thousands of physicians across the world backing HCQ as the most effective treatment: https://www.sermo.com/press-releases...ic-in-context/
Now when you talk about trust and bring up my contrast to the medias portrayal of COVID vs the Flu can you see how I could believe that way? How can anyone here believe the numbers that are posted by the "authorities" when time and time again instances have come up that have shown the numbers cannot be trusted. The entire legitimacy of the numbers are in question. When the CDC came out with the guidelines that it was okay to put cause of death as COVID on someones death certificate even without a positive test as long as it was assumed they had it how can one not see the dishonesty in that? Do you not remember the projected death totals when I made that post? I do and it was in the millions and that was forecasted by your experts. That caused people to panic and I don't blame them. People are being told to wear face coverings when they go out and unless they're wearing N95s they aren't safe from any airborne infections: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/c...face-coverings
How can you trust the people that are enforcing these mandates when they can't abide by the mandates themselves? Here recently the D.C. mayors executive order for all citizens to wear masks exempted the government employees. Does that make you curious? Here's the order: https://coronavirus.dc.gov/maskorder
As far as the "joke" is concerned you're right I didn't find it funny. This site is a MSU sports fan site and somehow a Covid thread is being allowed to run 240+ pages filled with hyper politics. According to the ones that make decisions around here threads like this don't belong and in the thread title is "keep politics out please." A joke in the confines of sports is great but when things degrade to making personal jokes because of your disdain for ones beliefs regarding Covid it's no longer a "zinger." I've been here since 2014 and have visited ED daily for sporting news regarding our team and have loved it but this thread is toxic to this community. It's impossible to have a peaceful thread on a forum when politics are involved.
Even physicians get sucked into BS stuff sometimes. What she cited about what she had done is anecdotal evidence, it is not a scientific statement or study. It's the kind of thing that triggers real scientific studies. Those have been done on this finally. Randomized double blind studies, the gold standard, have shown no benefit. One has even showed that it increases mortality in COVID patients. That actually makes sense because if there is no medical benefit with COVID from it, and you are giving it to sick patients, the side effects that we ABSOLUTELY know about are going to kill a few.
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