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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
I love Mississippi and I'm proud to be a son of Mississippi and I love it so much that I want it to move forward and progress and this change will at least be a start.
Boom. 100%. I am so ready to be rid of this crap. I hope Mississippi legislature takes this as an huge opportunity to be proactive in removing stuff like the flag, school names, county names, etc. They could add entire wings to the civil right museum in Jackson with all this stuff.
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Originally Posted by
Rex54
So have a referendum...
No, we already voted for our representatives. Let them do their jobs.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
This. There has to be some middle ground found or we're screwed.
You say this as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Francis Scott Key, John C Calhoun, and Christopher Columbus all come down. We're already past the point of "case by case" or "middle ground". I'm sorry some you can't see the forest for the trees but they are already openly talking and promoting this type of cultural revolution as Lord McBucketdork desires.
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Originally Posted by
Lord McBuckethead
When it stops being racist, it will stop. Sorry, but Forrest County (I assume is named for NB Forrest) needs a name change. In no way, should anyone in Mississippi have to live in a county named for that dude.
So you are right. It will not stop with the flag. We have plenty of history that needs celebrating that has nothing to do with racism, the confederacy, or the bigotry of the 1860s-1969.
It was mentioned in 2015 it needed to change but rep-Billy Hudson said he wouldn't change it.
https://www.wdam.com/story/29392616/...-other-states/
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
This. There has to be some middle ground found or we're screwed. There has to be some compromise from both sides on all issues. When people start drawing lines in the sand and no compromise exists bad s*** starts to happen.
I really don't think it is as hard as most people think. I spent 3 years as a director of Civil War Museum, and another 15 running Civil War and antebellum related historic sites and African-American related sites, and done time as a Confederate re-enactor. I have been having these conversations with people since the mid-1990s. When you have detailed conversations, most people understand the differences in battlefield memorials and Jim Crow monuments to power.
And this concept of "losing or history" is just false. There are more museums commemorating the Civil War - or hell, just about anything - then at any point in our history. There are more documentaries, books, scholarly articles, interpretive trails, preserved sites, and organizations dedicated to preserving history (and specifically CW history) than at any point. And we are doing these things broadly - from all perspectives - providing accounts from common soldiers, to leaders, to enslaved peoples, to women on the home front, to freedmen. Guys like you and I are old enough to remember going to a battle field in the 1970s, seeing the NPS made diorama of the troops on the field, seeing some poorly produced video or slide show all narrated by the same NPS employee, and seeing a bunch of guns on the wall. Go to that same battlefield today, and it's a whole other learning experience. At every NPS Civil War site, you learn the entire context of the war, the politics leading up to it, the impact on all communities, and what we can learn from it. Go out on the field now and you have narrated walking tours you can download, podcasts, full color maps in the field, and so many other ways to learn you didn't have 40 years ago. It's astounding. And it grows by the year.
But, none of this absolves us from trying to get better, from striving to understand perspectives, or from trying be decent enough human beings to understand that we have a 400 year legacy issue that we have to rectify. It is our original sin as a country, and we have only really been trying to fully understand the legacy and ramifications of it for a few years. To solve it, we have to have conversations. We have to commit to working past it. And we have to be willing to admit our wrongs. And we have to admit that despite all the advancements we have made, that we still have work to do.
Sorry - bit a soapbox there. CC most of that wasn't directed at your comments. I just hit reply and started writing.
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BTW, where did Wolken's ass go during all this?
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
BTW, where did Wolken's ass go during all this?
Or the Mark Jones dude from ESPN that called out our AD and coaches
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
I really don't think it is as hard as most people think. I spent 3 years as a director of Civil War Museum, and another 15 running Civil War and antebellum related historic sites and African-American related sites, and done time as a Confederate re-enactor. I have been having these conversations with people since the mid-1990s. When you have detailed conversations, most people understand the differences in battlefield memorials and Jim Crow monuments to power.
And this concept of "losing or history" is just false. There are more museums commemorating the Civil War - or hell, just about anything - then at any point in our history. There are more documentaries, books, scholarly articles, interpretive trails, preserved sites, and organizations dedicated to preserving history (and specifically CW history) than at any point. And we are doing these things broadly - from all perspectives - providing accounts from common soldiers, to leaders, to enslaved peoples, to women on the home front, to freedmen. Guys like you and I are old enough to remember going to a battle field in the 1970s, seeing the NPS made diorama of the troops on the field, seeing some poorly produced video or slide show all narrated by the same NPS employee, and seeing a bunch of guns on the wall. Go to that same battlefield today, and it's a whole other learning experience. At every NPS Civil War site, you learn the entire context of the war, the politics leading up to it, the impact on all communities, and what we can learn from it. Go out on the field now and you have narrated walking tours you can download, podcasts, full color maps in the field, and so many other ways to learn you didn't have 40 years ago. It's astounding. And it grows by the year.
But, none of this absolves us from trying to get better, from striving to understand perspectives, or from trying be decent enough human beings to understand that we have a 400 year legacy issue that we have to rectify. It is our original sin as a country, and we have only really been trying to fully understand the legacy and ramifications of it for a few years. To solve it, we have to have conversations. We have to commit to working past it. And we have to be willing to admit our wrongs. And we have to admit that despite all the advancements we have made, that we still have work to do.
Sorry - bit a soapbox there. CC most of that wasn't directed at your comments. I just hit reply and started writing.
It's all good, I always respect your opinion. Good stuff man!
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Again, do we have the votes in the senate? If we don't, after all this, it's going to suck. If your senator is one of the holdouts and you want the flag changed, please call or email them.
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Originally Posted by
William Tecumsah Sherman
Should MS change the flag? Yes
Should statues of founding fathers be destroyed? No
Should confederate monuments be moved to museums? Yes
Should lady antebellum change their name? No
Case by case and common sense, folks
That makes way too much sense dude!
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Originally Posted by
KOdawg1
I want to publicly say I was wrong about Kylin. I have always wanted the flag changed, but I wasn't sure what he was doing would make that much of a difference. The ball was already rolling, but he kicked it down the hill, and it's because of him that we're at this point this quickly. So I want to man up and say I'm sorry and I was wrong Kylin. You showed courage, and I couldn't be prouder that you're a Bulldog.
Well said! You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to KOdawg1 again.
Praise The Lord and Go Dawgs!!!
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Looks like we're a few votes short still.
My guess is that we have a few last statesmen using their vote as leverage for some bacon.
This is politics I guess. If you can land you district a few new roads due to withholding your vote till the end, then I guess you do that.
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
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I'm ok with changing the flag as long as it don't have a stupid magnolia on it!
But where does it stop?
So your fine in changing anything\where named Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, ECT..... Cause that's what is wanteded by the current movement..... And on the case by case thing if we let others make the decisions then we have lost our say.... I know we get to vote but they can change a lot of stuff between elections if we allow them to.
What if the next demand is to remove all forms of Christianity on campus and make everyone embrace lgbtq+ say we have to remove the Chapel of Memories....
again we have been losing small inch by inch battles for years now it's a full on field rush by the left to take this country over and become socialist
In the end we all have our opinions and can voice them somewhat for now but were losing more of that everyday
Last edited by BorneDawg; 06-25-2020 at 03:13 PM.
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Originally Posted by
DownwardDawg
That makes way too much sense dude!
So who says you get a say in those other case by case examples? Slot can be taken between elections
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Originally Posted by
BorneDawg
What if the next demand is to remove all forms of Christianity on campus and make everyone again we have been losing small inch by inch battles for years now it's a full on field rush by the left to take this country over and become socialist
Become Marxist. Every nation is "socialist".
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Originally Posted by
Lord McBuckethead
Bingo. Case by Case. Should Forrest County change its name? Yes.
Jones county is just above you and an easy drive
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Let the bribery begin!
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
Looks like we're a few votes short still.
My guess is that we have a few last statesmen using their vote as leverage for some bacon.
This is politics I guess. If you can land you district a few new roads due to withholding your vote till the end, then I guess you do that.
Only state worse than Mississippi politics is Louisiana. Kentucky a close 3rd btw.
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This will make us all richer and more enlightened, NO DOUBT!
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Originally Posted by
BorneDawg
I'm ok with changing the flag as long as it don't have a stupid magnolia on it!
But where does it stop?
So your fine in changing anything\where named Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, ECT..... Cause that's what is wanteded by the current movement..... And on the case by case thing if we let others make the decisions then we have lost our say.... I know we get to vote but they can change a lot of stuff between elections if we allow them to.
What if the next demand is to remove all forms of Christianity on campus and make everyone embrace lgbtq+ say we have to remove the Chapel of Memories....
again we have been losing small inch by inch battles for years now it's a full on field rush by the left to take this country over and become socialist
In the end we all have our opinions and can voice them somewhat for now but were losing more of that everyday
Removing a symbol of chattel slavery is definitely a slippery slope to abolishing Christianity***
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