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05-04-2020, 10:05 PM
#3061
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Social distancing slows deaths. Doesn't stop them. I've seen no evidence that says social distancing is a way to stop it. Tell me how I'm wrong.
I am going out to eat. I don't believe shit anymore. This whole thing has been politize. Every media out lets finds doctors who give data based on they way they want. It is all bullshit! I will not live in fear and I will not be used by people who hate Trump.
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05-05-2020, 02:36 AM
#3062
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Social distancing slows deaths. Doesn't stop them. I've seen no evidence that says social distancing is a way to stop it. Tell me how I'm wrong.
People who can't go to the hospital to get treated have a higher death rate. If it spreads too much that it overwhelms the hospital then people that wouldn't have fired before start dying. (Not enough ventilators, etc.) Thats the real key here.
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05-05-2020, 07:04 AM
#3063
Again we don't know the death rate because numbers are inflated due to hospitals coding deaths as covid regardless of they are or not. Currently hospitals are not overwhelmed and other than NY at first their have been very few hospitals that are overwhelmed. Also, vents are in sufficient supply mainly due to three things. One less patients going on vents, two some dr. are now saying vents dint help , and three treatments are working and keeping them off vents. Over 4400 MS people have recovered already
As far as more cases. More testing =more cases. Some symptomatic some asymptomatic. Look it's here and we have to understand that and it sucks but their is not going to be a cure. We have to start moving on.
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05-05-2020, 07:39 AM
#3064
Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
People who can't go to the hospital to get treated have a higher death rate. If it spreads too much that it overwhelms the hospital then people that wouldn't have fired before start dying. (Not enough ventilators, etc.) Thats the real key here.
We are 2 months in. Scott county has an positive for over 1% of the county. So let's assume they means 10%. So to keep the curve "flat" we are suppose to stay locked up for another 18 months. Sure. It's not possible. There would be nothing to come out to. But maybe socialism will pay for it.... smdh...
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05-05-2020, 07:48 AM
#3065
Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
People who can't go to the hospital to get treated have a higher death rate. If it spreads too much that it overwhelms the hospital then people that wouldn't have fired before start dying. (Not enough ventilators, etc.) Thats the real key here.
And why exactly can't they go to the hospital to get treated?
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05-05-2020, 08:34 AM
#3066
Originally Posted by
Homedawg
We are 2 months in. Scott county has an positive for over 1% of the county. So let's assume they means 10%. So to keep the curve "flat" we are suppose to stay locked up for another 18 months. Sure. It's not possible. There would be nothing to come out to. But maybe socialism will pay for it.... smdh...
Exactly.
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05-05-2020, 08:50 AM
#3067
Originally Posted by
Dawgfan77
Again we don't know the death rate because numbers are inflated due to hospitals coding deaths as covid regardless of they are or not.
It looks like deaths are actually being undercounted. 'Excess deaths,' or the number of deaths in excess of what is typical for this period of time, are going up pretty much everywhere at a higher number than the official COVID death count.
I agree, though, that we can't lockdown forever. We just can't. The system can't support it, which is exactly why Sweden did what they're doing.
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05-05-2020, 09:14 AM
#3068
Originally Posted by
StateDawg44
And why exactly can't they go to the hospital to get treated?
And isn't there spare capacity in the hospitals now - according to previous (recent) post in this thread?
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05-05-2020, 09:22 AM
#3069
Originally Posted by
smootness
It looks like deaths are actually being undercounted. 'Excess deaths,' or the number of deaths in excess of what is typical for this period of time, are going up pretty much everywhere at a higher number than the official COVID death count.
I agree, though, that we can't lockdown forever. We just can't. The system can't support it, which is exactly why Sweden did what they're doing.
Not flaming just help me understand what your saying. Reason I ask this is that the cares act is allowing non covid deaths to be classified as covid deaths without test. Also some states are back counting as far back as feb as total covid deaths. So a patient dies of heart attack or cancer they can and in some states have coded those as covid. Also people during this pandemic that die at home from stroke or other diseases they are classified as covid. This is all legal and hospitals get more money from Medicaid if patients are classified as covid
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05-05-2020, 09:24 AM
#3070
Hospitals are not overrun with covid patients. No one is running out of ventilators. The majority of people with covid don't even go to the hospital. The virus sucks, it lingers, And it leaves you with a stupid cough. But it's not killing the entire world like some of you **** heads are assuming.
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05-05-2020, 09:30 AM
#3071
Originally Posted by
defiantdog
Hospitals are not overrun with covid patients. No one is running out of ventilators. The majority of people with covid don't even go to the hospital. The virus sucks, it lingers, And it leaves you with a stupid cough. But it's not killing the entire world like some of you **** heads are assuming.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to defiantdog again.
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05-05-2020, 09:31 AM
#3072
I'm over it all. Like some have said, whatever people decide to do, I'm fine with it. This entire thing has been politicized on both sides, and the majority of Americans are sick of it.
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05-05-2020, 09:42 AM
#3073
Originally Posted by
confucius say
Do y'all think MS will have 782 covid deaths or more? I say that number bc that is how many flu deaths we had in 2017 (couldn't find 2018 or 2019 stats). And yes, I know covid is more contagious than the flu, I'm just saying from total death numbers, will we lose more people to covid than the flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ississippi.htm
How many would we have lost with 2 months of social distancing? Apples to apples friend. Can't do that here. COVID is WAY more deadly than flu. However, death is becoming the only stat FoxNews cares about. Infections interrupt economic prosperity too. Sick families. Forced quarantine for weeks impacts businesses. We've seen what happens when meat processing plants get it. What happens when it runs its course through the oil supply chain? Energy production? Food supply chain? You think the economy works then? Death is not the only meaningful statistic here.
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05-05-2020, 10:13 AM
#3074
We can see the goalposts moving before our eyes.
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05-05-2020, 10:17 AM
#3075
Originally Posted by
defiantdog
Hospitals are not overrun with covid patients. No one is running out of ventilators. The majority of people with covid don't even go to the hospital. The virus sucks, it lingers, And it leaves you with a stupid cough. But it's not killing the entire world like some of you **** heads are assuming.
Here comes hacker **
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05-05-2020, 10:17 AM
#3076
Originally Posted by
defiantdog
Hospitals are not overrun with covid patients. No one is running out of ventilators. The majority of people with covid don't even go to the hospital. The virus sucks, it lingers, And it leaves you with a stupid cough. But it's not killing the entire world like some of you **** heads are assuming.
Agree! Like Defiantdog, I had a mild case - self quarantined at home. It took me 45 days to get over my stupid cough!!
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05-05-2020, 10:19 AM
#3077
Originally Posted by
turkish
We can see the goalposts moving before our eyes.
I think there are a few groups:
1. Ready to open... damn the consequences
2. Ready to open bc we really have no choice
3. Want to stay closed out of fear/concern
4. Want to stay closed bc they're lazy and getting $600 federal and state unemployment on top of that.
5. Want to stay closed to help Biden in November
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05-05-2020, 10:40 AM
#3078
Originally Posted by
msstate7
I think there are a few groups:
1. Ready to open... damn the consequences
2. Ready to open bc we really have no choice
3. Want to stay closed out of fear/concern
4. Want to stay closed bc they're lazy and getting $600 federal and state unemployment on top of that.
5. Want to stay closed to help Biden in November
These tend to be the loudest groups.
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05-05-2020, 12:00 PM
#3079
^^^ this really sucks. Lots of people about to lose grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc.
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05-05-2020, 12:04 PM
#3080
Originally Posted by
msstate7
^^^ this really sucks. Lots of people about to lose grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc.
And if you look at the trend, we have not peaked yet. I was hopeful a couple weeks ago we may have hit the top of the curve, but we haven't. People in icu also spiked but ventilator patients are at least staying flat.
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