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04-17-2020, 03:17 PM
#2161
Originally Posted by
dawgday166
On education I meant college/university education. As for letting "our worst" fall ... a lot of that is up to them. Grown folks gotta take some responsibility. Now you can make some argument to their environments growing up ... but we do help out a lot of folks with various subsistence programs. But I know quite a few others that take advantage of those just cause they don't wanna work.
Gotcha. It's not like what is happening with colleges now is that great. Something needs to be shaken up, otherwise the entire middle class will be in college debt just to get a job in 20 years. It's a rapidly growing issue and push is going to meet shove eventually.
As for the laziness of others, that's a fundamental difference of opinion. Believe me, I understand the sentiment. But I also think that we have evolved so much as a society that we should not need people working just for the sake of working. Automation is going to soon make many jobs obsolete and with that many low-income Americans will be out of a job. With an ever increasing population this will hit a point too imo and we as a society need to be prepared for it.
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04-17-2020, 03:22 PM
#2162
Originally Posted by
Johnson85
Yes, it smells rotten, but it's likely because somebody is influence peddling and making a cut off masks in the market place, not because Panthera is trying to manufacturer masks (or planning on not deliverying). It's sketchy and normal corruption with federal contracts, likely nothing to do with Trump. It's unfortunately standard operating procedure for a lot of these federal contracts, where who you know and your knowledge in navigating the process is more important than actual subject matter expertise or performance ability. It's the same reason the Obamacare rollout was such a cluster 17. THey had a very complicated project, put themselves behind the eightball by assuming the states were going to do it, and really needed to hire the best contractor available. Of course they didn't do that but instead chose to enrich people that were politically connected. SOP.
Agreed that it may not be Trump. But someone here is definitely making some money off this move. This is why I called for oversight, ie checks and balances. If this can be gotten away with over $55 mil... it's a scary though to think of something ~ 40,000X that pot having minimal oversight.
Not going to argue with you on how corrupt the Obama admin was. That's obvious to anyone with a brain on either side of the aisle (as it is for the past few regimes since at least JFK.) Trump, in a way, was a beacon of hope that the people can push behind a non-establishment type to not continue that corruption.
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04-17-2020, 06:23 PM
#2163
Here's some interesting reading for y'all: This was sent to my by a friend who's head of Oncology at the UPMC Hillman Cancer Center in Pittsburgh and her statement to me about the report. Also talked to my friend at UAB infectious disease center and he concurred:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v1
Her Statement to me:
So... 3% of people in Santa Clara County (CA) have been infected and recovered. Which is 50-plus times the estimate of confirmed active cases. More evidence Covid 19 is far more widespread and thus less dangerous than expected.
This is awesome news.
ETA This type of testing is starting to be done all over the country with similar results. UAB just did theirs and I know Wake Baptist just did one and will be getting results soon.
Last edited by Commercecomet24; 04-17-2020 at 06:30 PM.
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04-17-2020, 06:37 PM
#2164
Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Here's some interesting reading for y'all: This was sent to my by a friend who's head of Oncology at the UPMC Hillman Cancer Center in Pittsburgh and her statement to me about the report. Also talked to my friend at UAB infectious disease center and he concurred:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v1
Her Statement to me:
So... 3% of people in Santa Clara County (CA) have been infected and recovered. Which is 50-plus times the estimate of confirmed active cases. More evidence Covid 19 is far more widespread and thus less dangerous than expected.
This is awesome news.
ETA This type of testing is starting to be done all over the country with similar results. UAB just did theirs and I know Wake Baptist just did one and will be getting results soon.
Getting these antibody tests out widespread for everyone would do wonders for accelerating the reopening of the economy as it allows us to isolate those who do have it and haven't had it yet. I hope that's not too small of a sample size and that it can be extrapolated that greatly. That would be awesome going forward.
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04-17-2020, 06:42 PM
#2165
Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
Getting these antibody tests out widespread for everyone would do wonders for accelerating the reopening of the economy as it allows us to isolate those who do have it and haven't had it yet. I hope that's not too small of a sample size and that it can be extrapolated that greatly. That would be awesome going forward.
I don't agree with everything you say but i definitely agree that this is a huge step to getting things going in the right direction. I'm reaching out to some more folks I know to see what their doing with this and if similar results are being had. It is a reason for hope.
Last edited by Commercecomet24; 04-17-2020 at 07:23 PM.
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04-17-2020, 07:08 PM
#2166
Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
Getting these antibody tests out widespread for everyone would do wonders for accelerating the reopening of the economy as it allows us to isolate those who do have it and haven't had it yet. I hope that's not too small of a sample size and that it can be extrapolated that greatly. That would be awesome going forward.
But you can't isolate everyone who "hasn't had it"... isolate those most vulnerable and in 2 weeks move on. You won't ever know who all had it or didn't. This thing isn't going away. And like the flu, some people just don't get it. With our wo the vaccine. Just like on the Navy ship where only 12.5 % of the people had it. And 60% of those were asymptomatic
Last edited by Homedawg; 04-17-2020 at 07:13 PM.
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04-17-2020, 08:13 PM
#2167
Why do I keep hearing that the key to reopening the country is widespread testing? Once you show sufficient symptoms to cause you to go get tested, wouldn't you 1) know to self isolate the same way as if you got a positive test result, and 2) have already infected people?
Seems to me the key to reopening would be the antibody test.
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04-17-2020, 09:04 PM
#2168
The key to reopening is to say 17 this BS, require masks and move the 17 on.
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04-17-2020, 09:17 PM
#2169
Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
I don't agree with everything you say but i definitely agree that this is a huge step to getting things going in the right direction. I'm reaching out to some more folks I know to see what their doing with this and if similar results are being had. It is a reason for hope.
I heard that a lot of businesses across the country had order them. I swear I had it. Seven weeks ago I got sick. I mean it is the worse I have ever felt in my life. My temp got to 103.6 degrees a few times. For about six days it never got below 100 degrees. I have never felt like that before. I went to the doctor and i tested negative for the flu. I had every symptom out there for it.
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04-17-2020, 09:25 PM
#2170
Originally Posted by
Jack Lambert
I heard that a lot of businesses across the country had order them. I swear I had it. Seven weeks ago I got sick. I mean it is the worse I have ever felt in my life. My temp got to 103.6 degrees a few times. For about six days it never got below 100 degrees. I have never felt like that before. I went to the doctor and i tested negative for the flu. I had every symptom out there for it.
How long did it last for you?
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04-17-2020, 09:53 PM
#2171
Originally Posted by
Jack Lambert
I heard that a lot of businesses across the country had order them. I swear I had it. Seven weeks ago I got sick. I mean it is the worse I have ever felt in my life. My temp got to 103.6 degrees a few times. For about six days it never got below 100 degrees. I have never felt like that before. I went to the doctor and i tested negative for the flu. I had every symptom out there for it.
Lot of research going into this now and findings will be similar to the Stanford findings, UAB and others that a large amount of people have had it and recovered which will show its much more widespread and much less lethal and severe than what's been thought
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04-17-2020, 09:53 PM
#2172
Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
Getting these antibody tests out widespread for everyone would do wonders for accelerating the reopening of the economy as it allows us to isolate those who do have it and haven't had it yet. I hope that's not too small of a sample size and that it can be extrapolated that greatly. That would be awesome going forward.
The antibody tests are very inaccurate. That's the problem right now. China is using them with no regard to their inaccuracies. They're giving a lot of false negatives and positives.
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04-17-2020, 10:03 PM
#2173
Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Lot of research going into this now and findings will be similar to the Stanford findings, UAB and others that a large amount of people have had it and recovered which will show its much more widespread and much less lethal and severe than what's been thought
UAB is turning hundreds of people down a week for testing so they don't really know accurate recovery numbers.
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04-17-2020, 10:52 PM
#2174
Originally Posted by
defiantdog
UAB is turning hundreds of people down a week for testing so they don't really know accurate recovery numbers.
I'm not talking about the hospital itself I'm referring to the study that the infectious disease team is doing similar to the one in the Stanford study. They're working with a small control group right now on this.
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04-17-2020, 11:08 PM
#2175
Let's assume this Santa Clara testing is true and 2.5% - 4% of the population has had the virus. (I'm skeptical, but that's another story.)
We need about 60% of the population infected for herd immunity.
That is a range of 15 - 24 times more cases than we have now to reach herd immunity.
Assuming 2.5% - 4% infected and our current 38000 deaths, if we were to reach 60%, that would be 570,000 - 912,000 deaths.
That's shocking to me. Did I do the math wrong? Someone check it.
I really don't think we should be in a rush to try to obtain herd immunity.
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04-17-2020, 11:50 PM
#2176
Originally Posted by
defiantdog
How long did it last for you?
I missed 8 days of work. The last two days I had no fever but I was just too tired to go to work. I woke up on a Saturday feeling real bad and it was the Wednesday after the next Wednesday that I went back to work.
Last edited by Jack Lambert; 04-17-2020 at 11:53 PM.
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04-18-2020, 12:31 AM
#2177
Originally Posted by
hacker
Let's assume this Santa Clara testing is true and 2.5% - 4% of the population has had the virus. (I'm skeptical, but that's another story.)
We need about 60% of the population infected for herd immunity.
That is a range of 15 - 24 times more cases than we have now to reach herd immunity.
Assuming 2.5% - 4% infected and our current 38000 deaths, if we were to reach 60%, that would be 570,000 - 912,000 deaths.
That's shocking to me. Did I do the math wrong? Someone check it.
I really don't think we should be in a rush to try to obtain herd immunity.
The problem with the math is this isn't as lethal as it was once feared to be.
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04-18-2020, 12:58 AM
#2178
Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
Gotcha. It's not like what is happening with colleges now is that great. Something needs to be shaken up, otherwise the entire middle class will be in college debt just to get a job in 20 years. It's a rapidly growing issue and push is going to meet shove eventually.
As for the laziness of others, that's a fundamental difference of opinion. Believe me, I understand the sentiment. But I also think that we have evolved so much as a society that we should not need people working just for the sake of working. Automation is going to soon make many jobs obsolete and with that many low-income Americans will be out of a job. With an ever increasing population this will hit a point too imo and we as a society need to be prepared for it.
there's a lot of "right" in this post... However, I believe in lieu of supporting those that don't or can't work, we oughta just cull em from the herd....
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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04-18-2020, 01:17 AM
#2179
Originally Posted by
TUSK
there's a lot of "right" in this post... However, I believe in lieu of supporting those that don't or can't work, we oughta just cull em from the herd....
Dare I say- process them?**
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04-18-2020, 03:50 AM
#2180
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Dare I say- process them?**
That was as strong as a garlic milkshake.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Todd4State again.
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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