We getting all excited about the QB transfer

[Jarius]

Oh I believe you expect it. I just know you're wrong 99% of the time. Just trying to help you out.

Me being wrong 99% of the time seems pretty unlikely. I will make a 1000 dollar bet with you that we go 7-5 or better this year though. You can put your money where your mouth is if you would like.

[PMDawg]

Me being wrong 99% of the time seems pretty unlikely. I will make a 1000 dollar bet with you that we go 7-5 or better this year though. You can put your money where your mouth is if you would like.

I'm not going to root against us, but nice try. You were pumping Moorhead and the 2019 squad too.

[Jarius]

I'm not going to root against us, but nice try. You were pumping Moorhead and the 2019 squad too.

I mean if I'm wrong 99 % of the time it is free money. Who you root for or against has zero impact on the game. I am right sometimes and I am wrong sometimes. I did not belittle you and thought we were having a healthy dialogue and then you went and attacked me for no reason. I am no less credible than anyone else on here, including you. As a matter of fact I was the very first person on here to tell people that Willie Gay would not be back with our team next year. I'm also wrong on predictions sometimes. If you are so confident that we will not be any good next year then my bet stands. I will let you in on a little secret though. You and coach34 are going to get better odds at a casino than betting me with an o/u of 6.5 though. Have a good day.

[mparkerfd20]

Any news on the visit since it's been quiet as a mouse?

[Ari Gold]

If getting a possible big time college QB helps us win more games this year I’m all for it
One of the QBs was / is prob going to transfer with or without a grad transfer anyway .. That’s the state of the game now with QBs ...
If there is one position I am not worried about going forward with CML it’s the QB position.

So look for the starting signal caller next year to be transfer... either Costello or Brice ...
If Brice visits and he wants to come here will be interesting to see what happens if he fits the mold that CML wants and looks for.. With Brice having 2 years left to play

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If we get Brice, I'd think Roger's would stay (and probably be the starter his RSo year) but the others would leave. I doubt it would hurt us in HS QB recruiting at all

[Johnson85]

Some of that might be cause he coached them to become good receivers. Not saying we have great receivers but Guidry had talent. If he would've/could've just used it.

I don't think there's a chance Guidry would have responded to Leach's coaching style.

I think the best hope is that some guys that lack athleticism get helped out by the constant pick routes against man and by the fact that finding open space against a zone doesn't require a ton of athleticism.

Then guys like Mitchell who have shown some promise but are raw will all the sudden get lots more reps everyday in practice against live defense.

I don't know if that's going to help us against elite SEC defenses. But I am hoping it is enough to allow us to move the ball the other 8 or 9 games of the year. Then it's just a question of how our defense is.

[Ari Gold]

If we get Brice, I'd think Roger's would stay (and probably be the starter his RSo year) but the others would leave. I doubt it would hurt us in HS QB recruiting at all

Rogers will have a lot of competition for that job.. Not saying he isn’t the future but there are going to be some big time guys looking to come here with CML..
and let’s not close the book on Schrader just yet. Let’s see how he does this spring...and if he grows up

[Jarius]

I don't think there's a chance Guidry would have responded to Leach's coaching style.

I think the best hope is that some guys that lack athleticism get helped out by the constant pick routes against man and by the fact that finding open space against a zone doesn't require a ton of athleticism.

Then guys like Mitchell who have shown some promise but are raw will all the sudden get lots more reps everyday in practice against live defense.

I don't know if that's going to help us against elite SEC defenses. But I am hoping it is enough to allow us to move the ball the other 8 or 9 games of the year. Then it's just a question of how our defense is.

Never know how someone will respond to coaching. Leach also uses many different ways of coaching different types of people. He does not have a one size fits all approach.

[SheltonChoked]

At no point in his career, has Leach had worse WR talent than the ones that played for us last year. Heath and Tulu might help, but I don't think some of you realize how truly bad our WR talent has been. We're thin on defense in some spots too.

Cite?

Based on recruiting rankings, Leach has not ever had top WR talent.

Crabtree was a slightly lower ranked Fred Ross.

Welker was a walkon at TTU. He got a scholarship after signing day because someone flipped.

Most of the Leach WR's were ranked in the below Cameron Gardner.

2019 WSU
Esop Winston Was rated an 0.8458 Caught 85 passes for 970 yards
Brandon Arconado had no ranking, WSU beat out abilene Christian for him. caught 78 passes for 1100 yards
Dezmon Patton Was rated an 0.8375 Caught 58 passes for 762 yards
Renard Bell Was rated an 0.8437 Caught 54 passes for 579 yards
Travel Harris Was rated an 0.8005 Caught 47 passes for 536 yards
Davontavean Martin Was rated an 0.8080 Caught 43 passes for 564 yards
Rodrick Fisher Was rated an 0.8947 Caught 19 passes for 265 yards

MSU's current WR's

O Mitchell Rated 0.8366
A Williams Rated 0.8529
Gardner Rated 0.8338
Payton Rated 0.8785
Torbor Rated 0.8710
Pruitt Rated 0.8668
Heath Rated 0.8913
Griffin Rated 0.9085
Ducking Rated 0.8627
Walley Rated 0.8702

Seems like LAST YEAR Leach had worse WR talent than he does now at MSU...

[mparkerfd20]

Still crickets on the Costello visit. I'm assuming we arent getting him at this point since no one will say anything at all.

[Dogbone]

Still crickets on the Costello visit. I'm assuming we arent getting him at this point since no one will say anything at all.

I'm hoping no news is good news!

[Ari Gold]

Still crickets on the Costello visit. I'm assuming we arent getting him at this point since no one will say anything at all.

It’s better than 50/50 we get him...

[Cooterpoot]

Cite?

Based on recruiting rankings, Leach has not ever had top WR talent.

Crabtree was a slightly lower ranked Fred Ross.

Welker was a walkon at TTU. He got a scholarship after signing day because someone flipped.

Most of the Leach WR's were ranked in the below Cameron Gardner.

2019 WSU
Esop Winston Was rated an 0.8458 Caught 85 passes for 970 yards
Brandon Arconado had no ranking, WSU beat out abilene Christian for him. caught 78 passes for 1100 yards
Dezmon Patton Was rated an 0.8375 Caught 58 passes for 762 yards
Renard Bell Was rated an 0.8437 Caught 54 passes for 579 yards
Travel Harris Was rated an 0.8005 Caught 47 passes for 536 yards
Davontavean Martin Was rated an 0.8080 Caught 43 passes for 564 yards
Rodrick Fisher Was rated an 0.8947 Caught 19 passes for 265 yards

MSU's current WR's

O Mitchell Rated 0.8366
A Williams Rated 0.8529
Gardner Rated 0.8338
Payton Rated 0.8785
Torbor Rated 0.8710
Pruitt Rated 0.8668
Heath Rated 0.8913
Griffin Rated 0.9085
Ducking Rated 0.8627
Walley Rated 0.8702

Seems like LAST YEAR Leach had worse WR talent than he does now at MSU...

Who cares about rankings? We've seen them play. Jesus, we had a D2 WR Corp last year. Show me our Welker and Crabtree. We've got two WRs coming in that play year one in all likelihood. But our returning guys are bad. Really bad.

[smootness]

Who cares about rankings? We've seen them play. Jesus, we had a D2 WR Corp last year. Show me our Welker and Crabtree. We've got two WRs coming in that play year one in all likelihood. But our returning guys are bad. Really bad.

I don't think they're as bad as the offense and QB play made them look.

We don't have a great collection of WRs right now, but WRs who can absolutely play in Leach's system and catch passes? Yes.

[HailStateSZN19]

It’s better than 50/50 we get him...

Ari, any idea on a time line we can expect an announcement? Or is he planning on taking any other OV's before deciding? We have an in-home with him some time this week I believe. Maybe he commits before then or shortly after that in-home.

[Cooterpoot]

I don't think they're as bad as the offense and QB play made them look.

We don't have a great collection of WRs right now, but WRs who can absolutely play in Leach's system and catch passes? Yes.

They're bad. Some were bad under three different QBs and two coaching staffs.
Mike Leach recruits better WRs. He knows what he likes and gets them. He'll get better players here than other places he's been, but we have the worst WRs returning of any SEC school as far as experienced WRs go.

[Johnson85]

Cite?

Based on recruiting rankings, Leach has not ever had top WR talent.

Crabtree was a slightly lower ranked Fred Ross.

Welker was a walkon at TTU. He got a scholarship after signing day because someone flipped.

Most of the Leach WR's were ranked in the below Cameron Gardner.

2019 WSU
Esop Winston Was rated an 0.8458 Caught 85 passes for 970 yards
Brandon Arconado had no ranking, WSU beat out abilene Christian for him. caught 78 passes for 1100 yards
Dezmon Patton Was rated an 0.8375 Caught 58 passes for 762 yards
Renard Bell Was rated an 0.8437 Caught 54 passes for 579 yards
Travel Harris Was rated an 0.8005 Caught 47 passes for 536 yards
Davontavean Martin Was rated an 0.8080 Caught 43 passes for 564 yards
Rodrick Fisher Was rated an 0.8947 Caught 19 passes for 265 yards

MSU's current WR's

O Mitchell Rated 0.8366
A Williams Rated 0.8529
Gardner Rated 0.8338
Payton Rated 0.8785
Torbor Rated 0.8710
Pruitt Rated 0.8668
Heath Rated 0.8913
Griffin Rated 0.9085
Ducking Rated 0.8627
Walley Rated 0.8702

Seems like LAST YEAR Leach had worse WR talent than he does now at MSU...

You are ignoring the fact that Leach recruited those "untalented" and poorly ranked WRs. I would not be concerned about our WRs recruiting ranking if Leach had identified them and recruited them. But just because he can be productive with some poorly ranked WRs doesn't mean he can make any poorly ranked WR productive.

I think he's going to help our WRs, but the talent may just not be there.

[BrunswickDawg]

They're bad. Some were bad under three different QBs and two coaching staffs.
Mike Leach recruits better WRs. He knows what he likes and gets them. He'll get better players here than other places he's been, but we have the worst WRs returning of any SEC school as far as experienced WRs go.

Just for the record - Mitchell is the only WR on the roster in 2020 who falls in the category you defined (3 QBs and 2 staffs).
I agree that our production has sucked and we have almost no experience returning. I think our WR corps for 2020 is so young or new to MSU that we just don't know anything about them right now. We will have 2 Seniors (Mitchell and Payton), 1 Junior (Williams), 4 Sophomores (Gardner being the only one who caught a pass), a couple of JUCOS and a a couple of true Freshman. Then we have a whole bunch of TE's who are either RSF or Sophomores. That means we really only have 2 WR with anything close to a track record - Mitchell (who has improved every year) and Williams to base anything off of.

We could really suck - or it will become even more apparent that Moorhead was totally clueless when Mitchell, Payton, Williams, & Gardner all have 60 catches for 800 yards each

[Cooterpoot]

Just for the record - Mitchell is the only WR on the roster in 2020 who falls in the category you defined (3 QBs and 2 staffs).
I agree that our production has sucked and we have almost no experience returning. I think our WR corps for 2020 is so young or new to MSU that we just don't know anything about them right now. We will have 2 Seniors (Mitchell and Payton), 1 Junior (Williams), 4 Sophomores (Gardner being the only one who caught a pass), a couple of JUCOS and a a couple of true Freshman. Then we have a whole bunch of TE's who are either RSF or Sophomores. That means we really only have 2 WR with anything close to a track record - Mitchell (who has improved every year) and Williams to base anything off of.

We could really suck - or it will become even more apparent that Moorhead was totally clueless when Mitchell, Payton, Williams, & Gardner all have 60 catches for 800 yards each

You can't teach good hands just like you can't teach QB accuracy. There's not one quality WR returning this year. Not one. We need Heath to take over and Tulu to get touches. Our WRs are criminally slow minus Peyton.
And Peyton didn't catch many balls his last year of Juco. You guys can argue a lot of things, but quality WR talent on our roster isn't one of them. We need a transfer to go with Heath really. Take off the maroon glasses and you'll see. With that said, we still win 6 games next year.