2020 and 2021 may be rough

[Jarius]

Missouri is 25-25 and 13-19 over the last 4 years, so no.

Yea but still.

[BeardoMSU]

What? Kentucky and Mizzou both has won more games than we have the last 4 seasons. Both teams returns the bulk of their starters in 2020 and will be favored over us. If we win either game its a big upset for us

I think its safe to say you're more than dubious at the prospects of this HC hire working out. We get it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Mizzou returns 19 starters- 10 on defense. We have huge holes on D and are changing offenses. Yeah- we are the underdog in this match-up in 2020. I'm not betting on Gus Walley, Austin Williams, and Osirius Mitchell in 2020

But Mizzou is changing schemes as well. Do they get knocked for that?

The Mizzou game is later in the schedule, so hopefully we have gotten better by then

[Jarius]

Mizzou returns 19 starters- 10 on defense. We have huge holes on D and are changing offenses. Yeah- we are the underdog in this match-up in 2020. I'm not betting on Gus Walley, Austin Williams, and Osirius Mitchell in 2020

But you are betting on the random 3 stars with no offers that play for Missouri and went 6-6 last year and have to play on the road without Kelly Bryant and with a new coach who has not proven that he can hold Leach's jock strap.

[Liverpooldawg]

NC State started alot of freshmen in 2019 including their QB. They will be vastly improved in 2020

Yep, they are going to be good.

[Quaoarsking]

Yep, they are going to be good.

Usually ACC teams that go 4-8 and get blown out in almost all of those losses don't suddenly become "good," at least by SEC standards, in 1 year.

[ShotgunDawg]

Wins

NM
TUL
Ark
Alabama A&M

Toss ups
KY
MZ
OM
NC State

Losses
A&M
Bama
Auburn
LSU

So, this team could get somewhere between 4 & 8 wins. If we split the tossups, then we get 6.

That's about all I think we can say right now.

[dawgday166]

But Mizzou is changing schemes as well. Do they get knocked for that?

The Mizzou game is later in the schedule, so hopefully we have gotten better by then

I'm counting that as a W. It's OM that I think may be an L in Oxford. Combine that with KY loss and I have 6-6. There could truly be a WTF loss next year tho ... But there could also be a corresponding WTF win too.

[ShotgunDawg]

Usually ACC teams that go 4-8 and get blown out in almost all of those losses don't suddenly become "good," at least by SEC standards, in 1 year.

This, They will be improved, but they won't be good. Saying a 4-8 ACC team with a 36 talent ranking is going to be good is dumb. Lacks thought process

[Coach34]

But you are betting on the random 3 stars with no offers that play for Missouri and went 6-6 last year and have to play on the road without Kelly Bryant and with a new coach who has not proven that he can hold Leach's jock strap.

Their new HC has been successful and they have as much talent as we do with alot more experience returning. It's a toss-up at best

[Coach34]

This, They will be improved, but they won't be good. Saying a 4-8 ACC team with a 36 talent ranking is going to be good is dumb. Lacks thought process

Looking at recruiting ranking is ****ing stupid. Experience factor far outweighs that

[ShotgunDawg]

Their new HC has been successful and they have as much talent as we do with alot more experience returning. It's a toss-up at best

Mizzou has a talent ranking of 40 & we're 23

[Jarius]

Their new HC has been successful and they have as much talent as we do with alot more experience returning. It's a toss-up at best

Their new head coach has 1 year experience at head coach at a g5 school with a roster that was built by someone else. Our head coach is much better than their head coach until proven otherwise. They do not have as much talent as we do. They went 6-6 in the sec east with a full roster and a quarterback that's going to make an NFL roster. They recruit worse than us every single year.

[dawgday166]

According to WSU fan over on SPS it takes little time to install offense but about 2 years to perfect it. And in Leach's 1st year he was hampered by his inherited QB and a diva WR that ended up kicked off of team.

We'll probably go through some of that.

[Jarius]

[QUOTE=Coach34;1221302]Looking at recruiting ranking is ****ing stupid. Experience factor far outweighs that[/

Sometimes. Depends on if the players are worth a shit.

[Quaoarsking]

Their new HC has been successful and they have as much talent as we do with alot more experience returning. It's a toss-up at best

So Eli Drinkwitz gets credit for "has been successful" for his 1 year as a head coach, going 12-1 in a G5 conference taking over for a team that had won 41 games over the previous 4 years, but Leach doesn't get credit for 18 years of success in P5 conferences when he inherited awful teams and had to improve them himself? Ok....

[dawgday166]

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[ShotgunDawg]

I'll say this.

I get Coach's point. I really do.

I think as MSU we are gong to struggle mightily with the win/loss guess this year because we simply have no idea whatsoever what an air raid MSU looks like, we have no idea if we have a QB that can run it, we have no idea what the roster will look like, & MOST of all we have no idea how poorly this team was coached under Joe.

All this said, the guesses are going to be extreme this year in both directions. I'm leaning on the fact that this coach has made a bowl game 16 of 18 years as head coach & that means something to me. It means that he knows what he is doing. It means he knows how to implement his system, & he knows how to run the entire program.

Leach is not taking over a dumpster fire. He's taking over a talented team that lost it's way. At least that's the way I see it.

[Coach34]

And here we go again. I was the jackass because I kept saying our coach was JoVester in 2019. Boys- you bout to be disappointed in 2020. We are going to work hard for 6 wins. Will be happy if we get it.

[dawgday166]

I'll say this.

I get Coach's point. I really do.

I think as MSU we are gong to struggle mightily with the win/loss guess this year because we simply have no idea whatsoever what an air raid MSU looks like, we have no idea if we have a QB that can run it, we have no idea what the roster will look like, & MOST of all we have no idea how poorly this team was coached under Joe.

All this said, the guesses are going to be extreme this year in both directions. I'm leaning on the fact that this coach has made a bowl game 16 of 18 years as head coach & that means something to me. It means that he knows what he is doing. It means he knows how to implement his system, & he knows how to run the entire program.

Leach is not taking over a dumpster fire. He's taking over a talented team that lost it's way. At least that's the way I see it.

Honestly ... I'm making some guesses but really have no clue on next year. Kinda trying to not get too wooly and setting myself up for major disappointment.