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    The truth about the Air Raid and Leach

    To start off, I told you. Cohen wanted to win. Cohen made all of us eat shit especially the never Leachers. Get on board or get out.

    He has more talent, more facilities, more money than anywhere he has ever coached and you really think he is not gonna win? You are being hard headed just for the sake of it.

    I dont wanna hear anything about man coverage either. Leach will mesh it and screen it to death. He aint dumb. Leach is not a RPO guy. The pure air raid (which we are getting) is not gonna be RPO. Its all called and is very very dependent on the QB checking the plays at the line. It is incredibly simple. It is a pure numbers game. It has about 3 run plays, inside zone, outside zone and a wrap play. Just pulling a guard it is basically like ISO without a FB. He very rarely has used many TE/Hbacks. He has used them at UK and at TTU. But he wont go out recruiting them. He will run a lot of 2 back sets (open left, open right) Kylin and Marks together will be hell. The drop back game is also very simple. 4 verts, Y cross, Y stick, shallow cross, smash, some option routes (run and shoot type routes) and triangle reads. (Corner bubble snag) The reason it works so well is bc of its simplicity. It is going to be like going from calculus to arithmetic. We will see some perimeter game (key screens, bubble screens, tunnel screens) and that is just an extension of the run. You will see our WRs play better than they ever have. Austin Williams is a perfect Mike Leach WR. I would have loved to have seen Deddrick Thomas play for him. We have some pieces, hopefully he moves Jones to WR bc he is dynamic there and an issue at CB. Steve Spurrier Jr is a Peeler type of coach for a good comparison. He surely plans on bringing him with him. It is going to work.

    His biggest emphasis, believe it or not is going to be the OL. He always has one of the best in the nation every year and most of the time they are huge. He has 1 pass protection. Vertical set. Thats it. They will slide it one way or the other if you overload one side and let the back pick up off the backside edge. He is not going to go out and recruit QBs and WRs like he is the OL. This offense is going to sell itself for WRs and QBs. We should get the best skill guys in the state every single year. He is going to go out and find the best OL and give it hell. It is a well known fact that nobody who plays offense gets an offer without him signing off on it first. He wont be hiring an OC or QB coach. He is both of those. He will be spending big money on his OL and if he can bring Steve Spurrier Jr with him to Starkville we will be rolling. He is a great recruiter. For all of you bitching about his recruiting I can understand that, but he is going to be at the easiest place he has ever had to recruit to in his coaching career. He will need to get a good staff and he will. He is a national name. He wont have to look hard to find guys to coach for him.


    There is a common myth that Leach is soft or that they dont run the ball. He has had multiple thousand yard rushers and a couple of years ago they scored 24 rushing TDs in one season. Running it is easier for him than it is for Mullen bc of the box numbers and alignments he is going to get. Go watch the Texas Tech and Texas game from 2008 and they ran inside zone till the cows came home. He also plays no shit and discipline and S&C will not be an issue under Leach. Hang all of that up. I bet some of our guys transfer out and I bet we get several transfers as well. He may need to bring in a QB with him bc I personally do not expect Shrader to stay.

    The QB situation is going to be interesting bc from Shrader's track record he is not a gym rat or a film junky. He is tough and a gamer but Leach wants the previous. Rogers is all of that. However, it is every QB's dream to play for Mike Leach so we wont be looking for QBs for long. I dont care if they think they are a run first guy or not, they want to throw it. Who doesn't? KT, Mayden and the others are going to get coached differently than they ever have and are going to be asked to do less than they ever have. Count the numbers and be accurate. Arm strength isnt a problem for any of them. I would put Rogers in the driver's set bc he has ran the offense and he and Gardner are very close. Dont undervalue that. He is smart and a gym rat. Loves the game. Leach also teaches the scramble drill very well. Go watch them during pass skel. There is no blown whistle till the ball hits the ground. Remember WSU was the first school to offer Will Rogers.

    There is an obvious concern with defense, and I am worried about it. But yall act like he doesnt know that. He hired Grinch at WSU and he immediately got the job at blue blood Oklahoma. He is going to find a guy to run it and he is gonna let him recruit how he wants, hire who he wants and coach how he wants. No meddling of it at all. Shoop would be great with Leach. Grantham would be a grand slam. Open up the checkbook and get a guy bc Leach aint gonna mess with him.

    Swing your sword fellas this is gonna be fun. For all of you never Leachers, you will be a believer before long. We needed a shot in the arm in the worst way possible and we got just that. Cohen gave you what you wanted. Get behind it or go give money to the baseball program bc Davis Wade will be back in 2020. We could win 7-8 and not be that good bc of how favorable the schedule is.
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    Damn I'm pumped. But question:

    Why doesnt everyone run the air raid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    Damn I'm pumped. But question:

    Why doesnt everyone run the air raid?
    Its not for everyone. I believe there is a time and a place where it has its weaknesses. I have never seen anyone win the whole damn thing running a pure air raid but it is becoming more and more popular. Almost everyone who is slinging it around runs air raid principles.

    Its also a myth that MS doesnt produce skill players. That is a lie. Leach has won with skill players from Cody Wyoming and Broken Arrow Texas. Look for Deion Smith and Brandon Burkhalter to get on board with State. There is a lot of teams in MS slinging the rock around now. This isnt 1985

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB**** View Post
    To start off, I told you. Cohen wanted to win. Cohen made all of us eat shit especially the never Leachers. Get on board or get out.

    He has more talent, more facilities, more money than anywhere he has ever coached and you really think he is not gonna win? You are being hard headed just for the sake of it.

    I dont wanna hear anything about man coverage either. Leach will mesh it and screen it to death. He aint dumb. Leach is not a RPO guy. The pure air raid (which we are getting) is not gonna be RPO. Its all called and is very very dependent on the QB checking the plays at the line. It is incredibly simple. It is a pure numbers game. It has about 3 run plays, inside zone, outside zone and a wrap play. Just pulling a guard it is basically like ISO without a FB. He very rarely has used many TE/Hbacks. He has used them at UK and at TTU. But he wont go out recruiting them. He will run a lot of 2 back sets (open left, open right) Kylin and Marks together will be hell. The drop back game is also very simple. 4 verts, Y cross, Y stick, shallow cross, smash, some option routes (run and shoot type routes) and triangle reads. (Corner bubble snag) The reason it works so well is bc of its simplicity. It is going to be like going from calculus to arithmetic. We will see some perimeter game (key screens, bubble screens, tunnel screens) and that is just an extension of the run. You will see our WRs play better than they ever have. Austin Williams is a perfect Mike Leach WR. I would have loved to have seen Deddrick Thomas play for him. We have some pieces, hopefully he moves Jones to WR bc he is dynamic there and an issue at CB. Steve Spurrier Jr is a Peeler type of coach for a good comparison. He surely plans on bringing him with him. It is going to work.

    His biggest emphasis, believe it or not is going to be the OL. He always has one of the best in the nation every year and most of the time they are huge. He has 1 pass protection. Vertical set. Thats it. They will slide it one way or the other if you overload one side and let the back pick up off the backside edge. He is not going to go out and recruit QBs and WRs like he is the OL. This offense is going to sell itself for WRs and QBs. We should get the best skill guys in the state every single year. He is going to go out and find the best OL and give it hell. It is a well known fact that nobody who plays offense gets an offer without him signing off on it first. He wont be hiring an OC or QB coach. He is both of those. He will be spending big money on his OL and if he can bring Steve Spurrier Jr with him to Starkville we will be rolling. He is a great recruiter. For all of you bitching about his recruiting I can understand that, but he is going to be at the easiest place he has ever had to recruit to in his coaching career. He will need to get a good staff and he will. He is a national name. He wont have to look hard to find guys to coach for him.


    There is a common myth that Leach is soft or that they dont run the ball. He has had multiple thousand yard rushers and a couple of years ago they scored 24 rushing TDs in one season. Running it is easier for him than it is for Mullen bc of the box numbers and alignments he is going to get. Go watch the Texas Tech and Texas game from 2008 and they ran inside zone till the cows came home. He also plays no shit and discipline and S&C will not be an issue under Leach. Hang all of that up. I bet some of our guys transfer out and I bet we get several transfers as well. He may need to bring in a QB with him bc I personally do not expect Shrader to stay.

    The QB situation is going to be interesting bc from Shrader's track record he is not a gym rat or a film junky. He is tough and a gamer but Leach wants the previous. Rogers is all of that. However, it is every QB's dream to play for Mike Leach so we wont be looking for QBs for long. I dont care if they think they are a run first guy or not, they want to throw it. Who doesn't? KT, Mayden and the others are going to get coached differently than they ever have and are going to be asked to do less than they ever have. Count the numbers and be accurate. Arm strength isnt a problem for any of them. I would put Rogers in the driver's set bc he has ran the offense and he and Gardner are very close. Dont undervalue that. He is smart and a gym rat. Loves the game. Leach also teaches the scramble drill very well. Go watch them during pass skel. There is no blown whistle till the ball hits the ground. Remember WSU was the first school to offer Will Rogers.

    There is an obvious concern with defense, and I am worried about it. But yall act like he doesnt know that. He hired Grinch at WSU and he immediately got the job at blue blood Oklahoma. He is going to find a guy to run it and he is gonna let him recruit how he wants, hire who he wants and coach how he wants. No meddling of it at all. Shoop would be great with Leach. Grantham would be a grand slam. Open up the checkbook and get a guy bc Leach aint gonna mess with him.

    Swing your sword fellas this is gonna be fun. For all of you never Leachers, you will be a believer before long. We needed a shot in the arm in the worst way possible and we got just that. Cohen gave you what you wanted. Get behind it or go give money to the baseball program bc Davis Wade will be back in 2020. We could win 7-8 and not be that good bc of how favorable the schedule is.
    Agree on everything. I am JACKED

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    I am only going to disagree with you one one point. I do not think 2020 will be good. In fact I anticipate a 4-6 win disaster. It 's going to take time and personnel to get Leach's system going. I expect improvement in 2021 and better from then on out. But It think it will be worth it in the long run.

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    It is amazing how many out-of-state friends of mine just became state fans. And I'm in Texas in the sports station here just did a 15 minute long segment on leads and how they think he's going to hurt all the other big-name coaches in our league.

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    Good write up Bucky. You do need to correct the multiple 1,000 yards backs. He has never had one. Some have come close and they are a big part of the passing game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile Bay View Post
    I am only going to disagree with you one one point. I do not think 2020 will be good. In fact I anticipate a 4-6 win disaster. It 's going to take time and personnel to get Leach's system going. I expect improvement in 2021 and better from then on out. But It think it will be worth it in the long run.
    Our personnel right now is better than anything Leach has ever inherited as a HC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    Good write up Bucky. You do need to correct the multiple 1,000 yards backs. He has never had one. Some have come close and they are a big part of the passing game.
    I think the kid this past year had 800 yards. The point still remains that he will run the ball when the numbers dictate. They do get a lot of receptions. Hill and Marks will be deadly in this offense.

    You give Kylin Hill a 5-6 man run box and he is going to run for miles

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    Only ones who dont like the hire are those who still like their run the ball football from the 1930s. Notice LSU didnt sniff a championship game until they opened up the offense. Hail Pirate

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    Actually LSU won a national championship with their old offense but I do agree that offenses are changing and to attract top skill people you must open up the offense

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobcat91 View Post
    Only ones who dont like the hire are those who still like their run the ball football from the 1930s. Notice LSU didnt sniff a championship game until they opened up the offense. Hail Pirate
    He is the best possible coach that Cohen could have gotten. Period. Not Napier, not Sark, not any of them that were listed. Leach has proven more than all of them. He is 58 and not 78 like some like to pretend

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    Quote Originally Posted by gulf coast bandit 2 View Post
    Actually LSU won a national championship with their old offense but I do agree that offenses are changing and to attract top skill people you must open up the offense
    When LSU won that natty the only teams running a real air raid were Leach, Mumme and wherever Art Briles was at the time. Now everyone you watch is incorporating it into their offense. Bama, LSU, Oklahoma, Clemson they are all running air raid concepts

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB**** View Post
    I think the kid this past year had 800 yards. The point still remains that he will run the ball when the numbers dictate. They do get a lot of receptions. Hill and Marks will be deadly in this offense.

    You give Kylin Hill a 5-6 man run box and he is going to run for miles
    I think Williams at TT has over 900 one year. A lot of passing yards by RB’s. But no 1,000 yard rushers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    I think Williams at TT has over 900 one year. A lot of passing yards by RB’s. But no 1,000 yard rushers
    Fair enough. I was just discrediting the myth that he throws it every single down

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB**** View Post
    He is the best possible coach that Cohen could have gotten. Period. Not Napier, not Sark, not any of them that were listed. Leach has proven more than all of them. He is 58 and not 78 like some like to pretend
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    In the late 90s and 2000 leach lit UP folks with the TE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan77 View Post
    In the late 90s and 2000 leach lit UP folks with the TE
    Yeah I remember that guy for Kentucky. I think that was more of a Hal Mumme thing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Yeah I remember that guy for Kentucky. I think that was more of a Hal Mumme thing though.
    He used TEs at Texas Tech. On the goaline he will get in some 2 TE stuff. Go watch Texas vs TTU in 2008

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