One thing I can assure you...

[Liverpooldawg]

Or one of the best. I think Leach is the ultimate wild card because you just don't know how he will do in the SEC. He has only missed a bowl game 3 times in 18 years and he has been at traditionally shitty football schools. At least with his track record, you would assume that he could continue getting us to bowls. We will see how he competes in big games in the SEC.

It's been tried in the SEC. How quickly people forget.

[defiantdog]

This has shaken out exactly like I thought it would.

National media press, players excited and at the airport to meet him, a coach who's proven, an offensive mind that can score, etc. We almost hired grantham..... Be happy.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm far from the only one. I happened to be at a meeting that had several MSU homers in it when it broke. Nobody was very happy.

[MarketingBully]

I wonder if South Carolina fans had this reaction when they hired Spurrier? Had to go from Holtz run style to Spurrier’s fun and gun. To me this hire is similar in size and scope to when we hired Jackie Sherrill. Only this time we’ve been to 10 straight bowls. Going from Moorhead’s system to Leach’s won’t be that difficult plus it’s a much simpler system to learn then JoMo’s RPO based system.

[defiantdog]

I wonder if South Carolina fans had this reaction when they hired Spurrier? Had to go from Holtz run style to Spurrier’s fun and gun. To me this hire is similar in size and scope to win we hired Jackie Sherrill. Only this time we’ve been to 10 straight bowls. Going from Moorhead’s system to Leach’s won’t be that difficult plus it’s a much simpler system to learn then JoMo’s RPO based system.

And no "check with me" bullshit

[smootness]

It's been tried in the SEC. How quickly people forget.

Versions of it have been tried by far worse coaches. And a couple of those have been pretty darn successful.

Also, FYI, just about every single elite team now runs some Air Raid concepts.

[Liverpooldawg]

Liverpool please just STFU.

LOL. I love people like you!

[Liverpooldawg]

Versions of it have been tried by far worse coaches. And a couple of those have been pretty darn successful.

Also, FYI, just about every single elite team now runs some Air Raid concepts.

Name one that lasted. I'm talking about full blown air raid. It didn't last when Leach was doing it as an assistant.

[Liverpooldawg]

I wonder if South Carolina fans had this reaction when they hired Spurrier? Had to go from Holtz run style to Spurrier’s fun and gun. To me this hire is similar in size and scope to when we hired Jackie Sherrill. Only this time we’ve been to 10 straight bowls. Going from Moorhead’s system to Leach’s won’t be that difficult plus it’s a much simpler system to learn then JoMo’s RPO based system.

Spurrier had a natty and a boat load of SEC titles. This isn't remotely the same.

[smootness]

Name one that lasted. I'm talking about full blown air raid. It didn't last when Leach was doing it as an assistant.

Leach was only an assistant for 2 years, and it worked for those 2 years.

Kingsbury only ran it for one year, and it worked that one year.

Nobody who has tried it for longer has been a good coach. The only pure, full on Air Raid is Leach's. And he's much better than the others who have tried it.

A guy like Sumlin failed because Sumlin isn't a very good coach, not because he ran some version of the Air Raid. The idea that the offense that is taking storm pretty much throughout football at every level won't work because 'this is the SEC' is asinine. Yes, this is the toughest conference. And yes, typically it is the toughest defensive conference. And guess what, the offenses that have success against those defenses throw the ball all over the place.

[Really Clark?]

This has shaken out exactly like I thought it would.

Uh...you thought firing Moorehead would led to a huge out cry from the Media that we couldn?t do it, that didn?t happen. A rash of players wanting out of their LOI, that didn?t happen. And that we couldn?t get any coaches interested in our job, that really didn?t happen, we a ton of interested and was the only team to pull a sitting P5 coach this year.

Look, I?ve said my piece, it?s risky and we have seen others run a facsimile of his offense to failure at times. He is the originator though and a lot of times that makes all the difference to be a lot more successful. But this coming out like you thought...that?s just plain false and the posts are there to quote you.

[StateDawg44]

I'm far from the only one. I happened to be at a meeting that had several MSU homers in it when it broke. Nobody was very happy.

Cool story

[OLJWales]

This has shaken out exactly like I thought it would.

Still missing Joe?

[Liverpooldawg]

Leach was only an assistant for 2 years, and it worked for those 2 years.

Kingsbury only ran it for one year, and it worked that one year.

Nobody who has tried it for longer has been a good coach. The only pure, full on Air Raid is Leach's. And he's much better than the others who have tried it.

A guy like Sumlin failed because Sumlin isn't a very good coach, not because he ran some version of the Air Raid. The idea that the offense that is taking storm pretty much throughout football at every level won't work because 'this is the SEC' is asinine. Yes, this is the toughest conference. And yes, typically it is the toughest defensive conference. And guess what, the offenses that have success against those defenses throw the ball all over the place.

Ok. Listen to yourself.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Texas Tech fans are pissed they ever let him go.

And Washington State fans are crushed right now.

That is a good sign.

From living in Big 12 Country in the 2000's....

Leach was impactful and magical for TTU. He had titanic struggles with mighty programs like Oklahoma and Texas. He was relevant to the Big-12 title. He struck terror and was Respected in Norman. He was Attila the Hun to DC's like Venables of OU. In OU, they did not fear Mack Brown in Norman like they respected Leach. They thought Brown was a granny. When Leach left Oklahoma, they did not scrap his offense. They continued with his spread. In 1999, Leach found a JUCO QB named Josh Heupel that nearly won the Heisman at OU and did win a National Title the following season.

[Liverpooldawg]

Still missing Joe?

No. As I have repeatedly said, you never saw me defend Joe this year.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I'm far from the only one. I happened to be at a meeting that had several MSU homers in it when it broke. Nobody was very happy.

Where those same dudes happy when MSU hired JoMo?

[Liverpooldawg]

Uh...you thought firing Moorehead would led to a huge out cry from the Media that we couldn?t do it, that didn?t happen. A rash of players wanting out of their LOI, that didn?t happen. And that we couldn?t get any coaches interested in our job, that really didn?t happen, we a ton of interested and was the only team to pull a sitting P5 coach this year.

Look, I?ve said my piece, it?s risky and we have seen others run a facsimile of his offense to failure at times. He is the originator though and a lot of times that makes all the difference to be a lot more successful. But this coming out like you thought...that?s just plain false and the posts are there to quote you.

No, I never mentioned the media at all. I said the impression it would make in the people that mattered would lead to a desperation type hire. It did. We will see about the players. In all honesty that probability doesn't matter as much now.

[Liverpooldawg]

Where those same dudes happy when MSU hired JoMo?

Don't know. Most if not all of them wanted him gone if that helps.

[dawgday166]

4 tops. I'll be very happy if I'm wrong!

I've gone on record that next year we were looking at 4 to 6 wins with Moorhead. If we had Mullen ... 6 to 8 and I'd split the middle and say 7. Next year awfully young all over and big turnover on Oline. Young QB (unless KT starts).

I don't know what we're getting but ... I know Leach is better than Moorhead without a doubt. I'm guessing 6 wins ... maybe 7 could be 5.

And I know we're fixing to find out if any offense similar to what Joe ran at PSU will work at MSU cause if someone can make it work ... Leach is one of the few who could.