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He did well at Washington, well enough to get the USC job which is a blue blood at the time. He was fired due to his alcohol problems. He was respected enough to get a NFL OC job and did well for the first year. Of the two losses this year, offense wasn't a big problem, especially against AU.
I am not in love with the hire but it is better than Moorhead. I honestly would prefer Hud but I wouldn't hate the hire. I would definitely be in wait and see mode. I prefer him over some of the other names like Leach just because I think he would fit in the SEC better since he has experience already. Leach was at UK but not sure his offense would translate well to MSU and the SEC right now.
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The fact we are thinking of hiring someone like him over Hud is asinine. I don’t see this as a good cultural fit at all. I still don’t understand when we have a great football coach who wants to be here and would stay as long as he wants. Cohen said he wanted a guy that loves Mississippi State. Besides Joe Judge I am not sold any of these candidates do.
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We don't have a QB that can throw the ball like Mike Leach's offense needs.
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Originally Posted by
StateDawg44
Who would excite you? Not saying you are missing out or anything.
I'm just curious who you think we could/should pluck right now.
At this point, I would be interested in:
Blake Anderson
Calhoun
Hud
Monken
Sark
Grantham
Leach
In that order, however I could be sold on someone else depending on the staff they bring with them. Right now, I would say UM has hired a better coaching staff than we might end up with, although I wouldn't want Durkin around our program.
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Originally Posted by
deadheaddawg
lol.
You are blaming the 2 loses on the offense?
You clearly have not done a bit of research and are complaining just to complain
no, I should have made that plainer. They lost 2 games with that offense being so good. That offense will NEVER be any where close to that at State. That offense was good because of the talent, and they still lost 2 games.
Anybody expecting him to run those plays here and it work like that are nuts.
Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.
When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Scored 41 against LSU and 45 vs auburn with backup qb. You blaming him for those losses?
I?m not sure how much credit he gets since that backup QB was a five star RS sophomore and he was throwing to the greatest Wr corps in the history of college football. Along with an NFL Rb and mostly NFL OL.
Look he may be great, but giving him credit for Bama offensive success is somewhat tough for me, the talent difference was just stunning. Waddle May be the fastest player I?ve ever seen on a football field, and he didn?t start for Bama.
There will be quite an adjustment at that position for him.
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Originally Posted by
StateDawg44
We don't have a QB that can throw the ball like Mike Leach's offense needs.
Actually Leach mainly only requires his QB's be accurate. He has had some great ones who probably wouldn't have signed or started for many other teams. Research Heupel and see why Oklahoma was the only school other than Utah State to recruit him.
Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.
When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
I?m not sure how much credit he gets since that backup QB was a five star RS sophomore and he was throwing to the greatest Wr corps in the history of college football. Along with an NFL Rb and mostly NFL OL.
Look he may be great, but giving him credit for Bama offensive success is somewhat tough for me, the talent difference was just stunning. Waddle May be the fastest player I?ve ever seen on a football field, and he didn?t start for Bama.
There will be quite an adjustment at that position for him.
Mac jones was a 3-star
ETA... I didn't give sark any credit for Bama offense. I just asked how sark was to blame for bama's losses
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Originally Posted by
Spiderman
no, I should have made that plainer. They lost 2 games with that offense being so good. That offense will NEVER be any where close to that at State. That offense was good because of the talent, and they still lost 2 games.
Anybody expecting him to run those plays here and it work like that are nuts.
Just leave off the "and still lost 2 games" and you are right. Why do you keep mentioning the losses. Everyone knows the defense was the problem at Bama this year. Just like everyone knows Bama out talents the vast majority of the country. Not just MSU.
What's your point? No one is expecting the same exact results.
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Originally Posted by
Spiderman
Actually Leach mainly only requires his QB's be accurate. He has had some great ones who probably wouldn't have signed or started for many other teams. Research Heupel and see why Oklahoma was the only school other than Utah State to recruit him.
Uhhhhh that's exactly why I posted that.
While a lot of our drops are on the WR's no doubt. We don't have the most accurate passers either.
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Originally Posted by
Coursesuper
The problem is to many are looking for a reason to " get on board " and are letting themselves be influenced by the fan media. Just let this thing play out and then make up your own mind by what the results dictate.
Exactly. Why do we all feel like we need to be "on board" with the coach. Guess what guys, no matter who the coach is, some wouldn't be on board. I am on board with MSU. Forget the coach, forget the AD, forget everything else. I am on board with MSU. I will support every coach, player, assistant, etc until they leave or get fired, regardless. I would argue that no matter who we hire, if we do not double his salary per year for assistants and analyst, we might as well hang it up. Bama has like 15 off the field analyst made up of former head coaches and coordinators. They help with game planning every aspect of the game and recruiting. Can't compete with that, unless you are ready to go 5 million for the HC at least 5 million per year for everyone else. Either we are in it to win it, or we should just hire whomever the media says and be happy with our 6-6.
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He was a QB in college, QB coach on the legendary 2004 USC staff, and QB coach for a Raiders team that threw for 4K yards, so QB development should be good.
He took Washington from a dumpster fire that won 11 games in 5 seasons to a team that averaged 7.5 wins per season. That's taking a product worse than what Croom gave Mullen and emerging with about the same results.
He did the best a first year USC coach has ever done before his alcoholism caught up with him. People who say "he only went 9-3 at USC so what!!!" don't know what they're talking about.
After a year in the wilderness as an analyst (under Saban though), his Atlanta offense didn't do great, but many believe that he was just the scapegoat for an awful Dan Quinn.
He's been tearing it up under Saban- which isn't exactly hard with those athletes- but he's statistically better than Kiffin was under the same circumstances, and before he left Saban to become the Falcons OC (but before coming back) he is the one who found Tua.
He runs a multiple and varied spread offense so I expect he will be able to adapt it to our offensive personnel.
He has connections across the country, so I expect him to put a strong staff together.
His second recruiting class at USC was stronger than any Kiffin class and second in the nation overall. His first Washington class was BAD (coming off 0-12 season) but were all top 25 after that.
He's had three years under Saban to at least watch how a top flight program is run
He's still only 45 years old and is chomping at the bit for another chance.
This could be a fantastic under the radar hire. Also, it will make the egg bowl extra spicy.
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Originally Posted by
BulldogDX55
He was a QB in college, QB coach on the legendary 2004 USC staff, and QB coach for a Raiders team that threw for 4K yards, so QB development should be good.
He took Washington from a dumpster fire that won 11 games in 5 seasons to a team that averaged 7.5 wins per season. That's taking a product worse than what Croom gave Mullen and emerging with about the same results.
He did the best a first year USC coach has ever done before his alcoholism caught up with him. People who say "he only went 9-3 at USC so what!!!" don't know what they're talking about.
After a year in the wilderness as an analyst (under Saban though), his Atlanta offense didn't do great, but many believe that he was just the scapegoat for an awful Dan Quinn.
He's been tearing it up under Saban- which isn't exactly hard with those athletes- but he's statistically better than Kiffin was under the same circumstances, and before he left Saban to become the Falcons OC (but before coming back) he is the one who found Tua.
He runs a multiple and varied spread offense so I expect he will be able to adapt it to our offensive personnel.
He has connections across the country, so I expect him to put a strong staff together.
His second recruiting class at USC was stronger than any Kiffin class and second in the nation overall. His first Washington class was BAD (coming off 0-12 season) but were all top 25 after that.
He's had three years under Saban to at least watch how a top flight program is run
He's still only 45 years old and is chomping at the bit for another chance.
This could be a fantastic under the radar hire. Also, it will make the egg bowl extra spicy.
Why did you leave off the last line?
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Hey! Everyone! The spread is not an offense it an alignment. There are multiple offensive philosophies run from this formation. That is all.
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Originally Posted by
BulldogDX55
He was a QB in college, QB coach on the legendary 2004 USC staff, and QB coach for a Raiders team that threw for 4K yards, so QB development should be good.
He took Washington from a dumpster fire that won 11 games in 5 seasons to a team that averaged 7.5 wins per season. That's taking a product worse than what Croom gave Mullen and emerging with about the same results.
He did the best a first year USC coach has ever done before his alcoholism caught up with him. People who say "he only went 9-3 at USC so what!!!" don't know what they're talking about.
After a year in the wilderness as an analyst (under Saban though), his Atlanta offense didn't do great, but many believe that he was just the scapegoat for an awful Dan Quinn.
He's been tearing it up under Saban- which isn't exactly hard with those athletes- but he's statistically better than Kiffin was under the same circumstances, and before he left Saban to become the Falcons OC (but before coming back) he is the one who found Tua.
He runs a multiple and varied spread offense so I expect he will be able to adapt it to our offensive personnel.
He has connections across the country, so I expect him to put a strong staff together.
His second recruiting class at USC was stronger than any Kiffin class and second in the nation overall. His first Washington class was BAD (coming off 0-12 season) but were all top 25 after that.
He's had three years under Saban to at least watch how a top flight program is run
He's still only 45 years old and is chomping at the bit for another chance.
This could be a fantastic under the radar hire. Also, it will make the egg bowl extra spicy.
This is probably the best post on this hire I've seen so far. It gives me some hope.
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
This is probably the best post on this hire I've seen so far. It gives me some hope.
It's a slightly changed copy/paste from SPS, but I agree. He also left off:
It's gross how many of you are dumping on his sobriety issues. He's been clean for about five years now.
PS: reiterating again that those making fun of his past issues with alcohol are a bunch of assholes
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
This is probably the best post on this hire I've seen so far. It gives me some hope.
Agree. But my biggest concerns are coeds and alcohol.
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Originally Posted by
StateDawg44
Just leave off the "and still lost 2 games" and you are right. Why do you keep mentioning the losses. Everyone knows the defense was the problem at Bama this year. Just like everyone knows Bama out talents the vast majority of the country. Not just MSU.
What's your point? No one is expecting the same exact results.
They held our prolific offense to 7 points.*****
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Originally Posted by
hacker
It's a slightly changed copy/paste from SPS, but I agree. He also left off:
It's gross how many of you are dumping on his sobriety issues. He's been clean for about five years now.
PS: reiterating again that those making fun of his past issues with alcohol are a bunch of assholes
I'm neither "dumping on" nor making light of his issues. You say past issues, but addiction is a disease that you can't cure. You manage it. Every. single. day. For the rest of your life. Yes, he seems to have been clean for a long time, and that's great. But it IS a fair concern. He may manage it for the rest of his life, and I hope he does, whether he comes here or not. But it will never be gone.
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Originally Posted by
PMDawg
Agree. But my biggest concerns are coeds and alcohol.
Du wut? Where is this coming from and what are you even implying?
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