Hat in hand

[Really Clark?]

But the insiders here didn't even say he was gone for sure either way! Some implied it but the only thing they said (much less agreed on) was that he was gone with a loss.

I know but a name being put out there and enough smoke that we were making change still pissed him off. When an introvert gets pissed, it’s ugly.

[Dawgfan77]

What y?all are missing is it ain?t the search it?s the fact A name got out. Let this be a lesson. Names should not be released before announcing the coach is gone. Pissed a bunch of people off and we kept joe

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

To piggyback off it- after he won to get to 6-6 with a 2nd Egg- Joe demanded the full buyout which added almost 3MM more. Thats when some spines got soft about firing a 6-6 coach.

That is what was passed on to me. Like it, dont like it. Be mad. IDGAF. For us to wait 2 days to even confirm he was returning tells you something was going on. If nothing had been happening- Cohen confirms it Thursday night he was returning. He didnt

No doubt there was a war going on.

But like, why can't we get the money? We profit $10-15M every year, and Leo Seal supposedly gave us money for buyouts. The admin knows they'll lose far more than $3M in ticket sales alone if Joe is retained. Why couldn't we get it together?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

What y?all are missing is it ain?t the search it?s the fact A name got out. Let this be a lesson. Names should not be released before announcing the coach is gone. Pissed a bunch of people off and we kept joe

So it's not the fact we fans know we're looking at coaches, it's the fact we fans heard the names of those coaches? That makes no sense

Now if I'm Cohen though I absolutely want people to believe the leaks are what the problem was. 1) it takes heat off of him and onto the leakers, and 2) it helps to shut down future leaks when they might actually be detrimental

[Commercecomet24]

To piggyback off it- after he won to get to 6-6 with a 2nd Egg- Joe demanded the full buyout which added almost 3MM more. Thats when some spines got soft about firing a 6-6 coach.

That is what was passed on to me. Like it, dont like it. Be mad. IDGAF. For us to wait 2 days to even confirm he was returning tells you something was going on. If nothing had been happening- Cohen confirms it Thursday night he was returning. He didnt

This. It's really not that hard to understand

[maroonmania]

I know but a name being put out there and enough smoke that we were making change still pissed him off. When an introvert gets pissed, it’s ugly.

Who was putting a name out there except for the rumor circuit? MSU wasn't putting a name out there, Genespage/247 wasn't putting out a name either. So someone on twitter or a message board poster qualifies as putting a name out there?

[Really Clark?]

No doubt there was a war going on.

But like, why can't we get the money? We profit $10-15M every year, and Leo Seal supposedly gave us money for buyouts. The admin knows they'll lose far more than $3M in ticket sales alone if Joe is retained. Why couldn't we get it together?

We have the money, they just had to decide to use it. But this is the flip side of that, we have plenty of money for the buyout but we also have enough money to absorb a bad season as well. Not the city obviously but the budget can absorb a bad season. Again, if they so choose which they are gambling that it won’t be that bad.

[Dawgfan77]

To piggyback off it- after he won to get to 6-6 with a 2nd Egg- Joe demanded the full buyout which added almost 3MM more. Thats when some spines got soft about firing a 6-6 coach.

That is what was passed on to me. Like it, dont like it. Be mad. IDGAF. For us to wait 2 days to even confirm he was returning tells you something was going on. If nothing had been happening- Cohen confirms it Thursday night he was returning. He didnt

That with names being out there or a name better yet. We had people buckel It?s a shit show.

[Really Clark?]

Who was putting a name out there except for the rumor circuit? MSU wasn't putting a name out there, Genespage/247 wasn't putting out a name either. So someone on twitter or a message board poster qualifies as putting a name out there?

Man the coaching/AD world is small and agents are making/fielding a lot of calls this time of year. Heck, Moorehead’s agent was contacting Rutgers. Napier’s people was pushing if we made a change.

[maroonmania]

What y?all are missing is it ain?t the search it?s the fact A name got out. Let this be a lesson. Names should not be released before announcing the coach is gone. Pissed a bunch of people off and we kept joe

A name got out by who? There were names being offered up everywhere on message boards and twitter. That constitutes a name getting out? Nobody will ever stop rumors on the internet.

[maroonmania]

Man the coaching/AD world is small and agents are making/fielding a lot of calls this time of year. Heck, Moorehead’s agent was contacting Rutgers. Napier’s people was pushing if we made a change.

Ok, sure. Doesn't constitute a name "getting out".

[MarketingBully]

Could Moorhead go down as one of the most hated coaches of ours in any sport by his end? Cohen was an idiot for just hiring a coordinator instead of a great G5 coach. Why were our finalists for the job last time a bunch of coordinators?

[Coach34]

A name got out by who? There were names being offered up everywhere on message boards and twitter. That constitutes a name getting out? Nobody will ever stop rumors on the internet.

yeah I don't believe the name leaking changed anything. It was winning that game and demanding more millions to leave that did it

[Commercecomet24]

Our admin turned this into a freaking clown show. 3 stoogesesque.

[Commercecomet24]

yeah I don't believe the name leaking changed anything. It was winning that game and demanding more millions to leave that did it

Yep just like everything in this world always follow the money.

[Really Clark?]

Ok, sure. Doesn't constitute a name "getting out".

Well I don’t know how much more I need to spell it out. Agents talk, AD’s talk, coaches talk, etc. It got out. Just like Mullen’s name got out when he was here and still our coach. Just like Rich Rod’s name not only got out but confirmed he was interviewing with USCe while still the Arizona coach. When it happens in season while you still have a coach in place, it can undermine that coach. Which I do understand. Especially since the win or loss in his last game was told to him would be the deciding factor. It pissed him off...hence the PC

[PGHBulldogBG]

I’m not surprised by any means. Once Cohen couldn’t see that Neal Brown should’ve been our head coach when Mullen left then I was done with him and realized he knows nothing about football.

[maroonmania]

Well I don’t know how much more I need to spell it out. Agents talk, AD’s talk, coaches talk, etc. It got out. Just like Mullen’s name got out when he was here and still our coach. Just like Rich Rod’s name not only got out but confirmed he was interviewing with USCe while still the Arizona coach. When it happens in season while you still have a coach in place, it can undermine that coach. Which I do understand. Especially since the win or loss in his last game was told to him would be the deciding factor. It pissed him off...hence the PC

So a name didn't get out publicy but we are just talking about Joe finding out about a name. The ONLY way this could have been an issue was if Moorhead thought he would only be bought out if he lost the Egg Bowl. That had to have been his understanding for this to have blown up.

[War Machine Dawg]

I’m not surprised by any means. Once Cohen couldn’t see that Neal Brown should’ve been our head coach when Mullen left then I was done with him and realized he knows nothing about football.

C'mon now. There were plenty of other good candidates we could've hired. Norvell was one. Don't get so emotionally invested in one coach that you can't see other qualified candidates.

[MarketingBully]

I’m not surprised by any means. Once Cohen couldn’t see that Neal Brown should’ve been our head coach when Mullen left then I was done with him and realized he knows nothing about football.

He took shitty advice from Stricklin. At least the ninja was trying to pull off Peterson before going to Mullen. You hire the best fit for the job not necessarily the hot coordinator. We could have gotten a number of hot names back then and they’d already be two years into building something instead of Mooridiot Moorproblems Mooron. A coordinator is a much much riskier proposition rather then a successful G5 coach that has southern ties.