Coach idea

[DeputyDawg94]

Hud could be our Kirk Ferentz. Probably never win a conference championship but win a bunch of games and we wouldn’t have to worry about him checking out every year at Thanksgiving. I could see him staying for a long time.

[Todd4State]

What if we hired Hudspeth and gave him $2 million to throw at Grantham as DC? Any chance Grantham would come back to Starkville for a big pay day since his son will be here for the next 4 years? To me a Hudspeth/Grantham combo would be as close to a homerun as we could get...and we would instantly be tougher and get rid of that "soft" label Joe has given us. I just don't know if Grantham would leave Florida unless it was for a HC job or something.

Thoughts?

Looking at the numbers Grantham is paid 1.8 so I would imagine it would probably be more like 2.0-2.5 million to realistically get him. That would actually put him on par or higher than Dave Aranda's AAV and he's the highest paid DC in the country. Being able to say that he's the highest paid guy in football plus being able to see his son conveniently would probably make him think long and hard about it.

At worst I think it would cause a bidding war with Florida which may cause them to overpay him or call his bluff and say "take it". And that would cause a trickle down effect for Florida which would cost them more money for assistants. And I'm all for sticking it to Florida. It also might cause Dan to lose his Joe Lee Dunn which I'm also all for. Good new for him is Manny Diaz might be available...again.

It's kind of like post buyout interest in a way.

IF it is Hud I wouldn't be surprised if he kept Shoop simply because they have worked together before so there is more known about how they work together and it would ease any transition because the defensive players would know the system on their side of the ball already.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Looking at the numbers Grantham is paid 1.8 so I would imagine it would probably be more like 2.0-2.5 million to realistically get him. That would actually put him on par or higher than Dave Aranda's AAV and he's the highest paid DC in the country. Being able to say that he's the highest paid guy in football plus being able to see his son conveniently would probably make him think long and hard about it.

At worst I think it would cause a bidding war with Florida which may cause them to overpay him or call his bluff and say "take it". And that would cause a trickle down effect for Florida which would cost them more money for assistants. And I'm all for sticking it to Florida. It also might cause Dan to lose his Joe Lee Dunn which I'm also all for. Good new for him is Manny Diaz might be available...again.

It's kind of like post buyout interest in a way.

IF it is Hud I wouldn't be surprised if he kept Shoop simply because they have worked together before so there is more known about how they work together and it would ease any transition because the defensive players would know the system on their side of the ball already.

Grantham isn't coming here to be a DC.

[OLJWales]

Grantham isn't coming here to be a DC.

Is he in the mix for HC? is Gene totally out of consideration? Hoping our Athletic Dept has an ounce of sense by not considering him?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Is he in the mix for HC? is Gene totally out of consideration? Hoping our Athletic Dept has an ounce of since by not considering him?

I don't expect either to ever be the HC at MSU

[OLJWales]

I don't expect either to ever be the HC at MSU

thank you sir, greatly appreciated

[Jack Lambert]

Grantham isn't coming back to MSU for less than the HC job.

Maybe he thinks it would be great to coach at the school my son plays baseball at. Father love is strong.

[confucius say]

I don't understand because I think Shoop is equal to Grantham.

Or better

[confucius say]

I don't expect either to ever be the HC at MSU

Who do you expect to coach us in 2020?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Who do you expect to coach us in 2020?

$3mil dollar question

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Maybe he thinks it would be great to coach at the school my son plays baseball at. Father love is strong.

Hold on to whatever hope you have I guess.

[confucius say]

$3mil dollar question

Will his first name be joe?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Will his first name be joe?

Yes last name Gibbs

[Commercecomet24]

Yes last name Gibbs

Rep given!

[Really Clark?]

Yes last name Gibbs

Rep given!!

[Sienfield]

$3mil dollar question

That narrows it down quite a bit. For 3 Million we could get Hud or Napier maybe.

[Johnson85]

Why do people continue to brush over his 15-22 record his last 3 years at ULL?

If the OP said Grantham with Napier then I could be into it.

I don't get why people would be more excited about Napier than Hud. Hud turned ULL from a graveyard to a good sunbelt program. Napier looks good so far but even though ULL had regressed, they weren't the dumpster fire that Hud took over. Hud looked great at ULL after two and even after three seasons, probably better than Napier does because of Hud's previous head coaching experience and the fact that ULL was such a historically bad program when he took over. Granted Napier doesn't have the blemish that Hud has from his latter years at ULL, but he hasn't had much of an opportunity to gain any blemish. Lots of coaches start off hot because they walk into a good situation but then reveal their true selves after a few years.

I don't have a problem with Napier and don't think Hud is head and shoulders a better choice, but unless somebody has some good insight into Napier beyond his record and stats at ULL, then it seems like Hud is the safer bet.

[Covercorner2]

Hud would be the "safe" hire for us.

He is better than what we have currently
Just won Austin Peay their 1st conference title
Knows current players on our team and could convince a couple of QB's to stay put and not transfer
Will run a power spread offense because he would adapt to his talent
Has contacts all over Miss, Louisiana, and Alabama- 90% of our recruiting footprint
Good recruiter
Would not leave State for another job regardless of how much he won

It wouldn't be a sexy hire- but after this last disaster- safe aint such a bad way to go.

Would Grantham come back for $2MM and a multi-year contract? Possibly and would be worth looking into. Especially with his kid being here.

A lot of this also applies to Napier, and Napier has had more success at the D1 level. That's who I would hire.

- Runs the ball? check
- Saban tree? check
- Successful as D1 HC? check
- Relatively young? check
- Has recruited the area? check

[bulldawg28]

Shoop brings more variety than Grantham. Grantham is strictly man and kept the safeties covering WR'S getting beat deep. He also played too much zero coverage with no safety help. I still remember Auburn and GA going over Mclaurin's head. Shoop addressed that instantly with better schemes. I prefer Shoop any day of the week over Grantham.

[Johnson85]

A lot of this also applies to Napier, and Napier has had more success at the D1 level. That's who I would hire.

- Runs the ball? check
- Saban tree? check
- Successful as D1 HC? check
- Relatively young? check
- Has recruited the area? check

How has Napier had more success as a Dvision I level? Napier had mixed success as a OC early with Clemson before being let go. He had a good year as OC at ASU that got him the ULL job. He is going to finish up with somewhere around 18 wins in his first two years as Head Coach. That doesn't seem more successful than Hud taking over a historically bad program and winning 9 games a yea for his first four years.