Some of you need to think big picture.

[Cowbell]

The man thought his plan would work - it was obvious it wouldn?t work last year - he had an offseason to adjust and he didnt - he didnt realize our S&C was going downhill either. He didn?t realize he was being too soft. We have a coach that lacks discernment when it comes to the game. You can?t fix that with assistant changes. We can not continue to let him learn on the job and pay him 3 million. Especially when he is the last guy in the room to figure it out.

Listen closely. Football is a game that is won by staying one step ahead and we have a leader that is constantly 2 steps behind.

Egg Bowl - some of you are so worried about losing that game that you can?t see the big picture. Some of us on here are focused ahead - honestly this season is dead and over for me. It was part of a two year mistake that I hope we end on Friday.

[R2Dawg]

Joe has wrecked our program. His whole world about what he thought he knew about football is being torn down. He is in crisis mode. Huge mistake to hire a guy never been in SEC and think he knows what will work or worse only has one thing/way he knows how to coach. Like betting the house on a game in Vegas that you have never played.

[Cooterpoot]

Any fan pulling against us this week is worthless. I believe we?re going to lose, but I?m damn sure not pulling for us to lose. That?s not big picture. That?s worthless ass fans.
Change is coming anyway.

[ShotgunDawg]

The man thought his plan would work - it was obvious it wouldn?t work last year - he had an offseason to adjust and he didnt - he didnt realize our S&C was going downhill either. He didn?t realize he was being too soft. We have a coach that lacks discernment when it comes to the game. You can?t fix that with assistant changes. We can not continue to let him learn on the job and pay him 3 million. Especially when he is the last guy in the room to figure it out.

Listen closely. Football is a game that is won by staying one step ahead and we have a leader that is constantly 2 steps behind.

Egg Bowl - some of you are so worried about losing that game that you can?t see the big picture. Some of us on here are focused ahead - honestly this season is dead and over for me. It was part of a two year mistake that I hope we end on Friday.

Great post. Thank you

[ShotgunDawg]

Any fan pulling against us this week is worthless. I believe we?re going to lose, but I?m damn sure not pulling for us to lose. That?s not big picture. That?s worthless ass fans.
Change is coming anyway.

Best case scenario is that we win & fire him anyway.

[ShotgunDawg]

Joe has wrecked our program. His whole world about what he thought he knew about football is being torn down. He is in crisis mode. Huge mistake to hire a guy never been in SEC and think he knows what will work or worse only has one thing/way he knows how to coach. Like betting the house on a game in Vegas that you have never played.

I don't mind him not working in the SEC. That's not a pre-requisite to me.

Hiring a coach who's core beliefs revolve around physicality, discipline, weight room, & deserving to win matters much more to me. You don't have to coach in the SEC to have those basic core philosophies.

[msstate7]

Any fan pulling against us this week is worthless. I believe we?re going to lose, but I?m damn sure not pulling for us to lose. That?s not big picture. That?s worthless ass fans.
Change is coming anyway.

I believe a change is coming either way too, but I think it will be a year later with a win. Moorhead is dragging us down at a pretty steady clip... what would we look like after 3 seasons, ark?

[R2Dawg]

I don't mind him not working in the SEC. That's not a pre-requisite to me.

Hiring a coach who's core beliefs revolve around physicality, discipline, weight room, & deserving to win matters much more to me. You don't have to coach in the SEC to have those basic core philosophies.

Not a core belief of mine either but we can't have a guy that it takes 2 years to figure out the SEC and I'm not sure he has it figured out yet. Our #1 D in nation his first year should have taught him something about SEC Ds but it didn't teach him anything.

[yjnkdawg]

Any alum who wants MSU to lose to OM, for any reason, needs to evaluate their loyalty to our school. I don't think we will win, based upon the current circumstances, but I'm sure not going to hope we ever lose to OM, in any sport and for looking at the big picture or whatever reason. I also want a coaching change ASAP too.

[BogeyGolfer]

The man thought his plan would work - it was obvious it wouldn?t work last year - he had an offseason to adjust and he didnt - he didnt realize our S&C was going downhill either. He didn?t realize he was being too soft. We have a coach that lacks discernment when it comes to the game. You can?t fix that with assistant changes. We can not continue to let him learn on the job and pay him 3 million. Especially when he is the last guy in the room to figure it out.

Listen closely. Football is a game that is won by staying one step ahead and we have a leader that is constantly 2 steps behind.

Egg Bowl - some of you are so worried about losing that game that you can?t see the big picture. Some of us on here are focused ahead - honestly this season is dead and over for me. It was part of a two year mistake that I hope we end on Friday.

A coach in this league has to have an edge to be successful. One more game of this shit show, it's almost over, folks!

[JohnHenryBonham]

Joe has wrecked our program. His whole world about what he thought he knew about football is being torn down. He is in crisis mode. Huge mistake to hire a guy never been in SEC and think he knows what will work or worse only has one thing/way he knows how to coach. Like betting the house on a game in Vegas that you have never played.

How has he wrecked the program when he has brought in better talent? I agree we don?t have the elite talent required to run his west coast hybrid offense but he has brought in good talent that will help the next coach.

[ShotgunDawg]

How has he wrecked the program when he has brought in better talent? I agree we don?t have the elite talent required to run his west coast hybrid offense but he has brought in good talent that will help the next coach.

He wrecked the culture, not the talent. If he stays another year, I could see a situation developing like the one that ended the Stansbury era. Players fighting.

[msbulldog]

I don't want to lose to mississippi in anything, I'd pay to see us beat them in checkers.

[Cowbell]

I’m not saying to pull for Ole Miss. I’m saying that we shouldnt keep a bad coach based on winning that game.

[OLJWales]

Historically it seems like coaches on hot seats never get better at their current gigs. Sometimes after they're fired they work their way back up thru the coordinator ranks and land a HC job again. That "extra year " seems to never go well. I may be wrong, don't have any stats to back up my assertions. Just going on gut instinct.

[dantheman4248]

It's tough because in forward thinking minds, winning the battle this week will be losing the war.

Some are viewing it as if we beat OM this week that would cause us to lose to OM next year and possibly the year after. Weight that against a loss this year probably ensures a win next year as long as we don't hire a pile of shit again and then could set us ahead of them for years if we hire good as they are going to be treading the water they're at with Luke for a while.

That's where it's tricky. I think the best thing for every State fan to do is root for a win Thursday and a firing Friday. But then rest easy with a loss because we will fire this guy now that we lost.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Any fan pulling against us this week is worthless. I believe we?re going to lose, but I?m damn sure not pulling for us to lose. That?s not big picture. That?s worthless ass fans.
Change is coming anyway.

I simply don't believe the narrative that we're firing Joe even if we go 6-6.

NO coach has EVER been fired in year 2 after making a bowl. But I'm supposed to believe our AD and relatively poor boosters will do what no USC, Bama, OSU, or Michigan ever has?

My guess is that some boosters do want joe gone even at 6-6, they're making a lot of noise in the AD's office, and they're the "sources" everyone talks about. BUT, I have zero faith our boosters as a whole have higher standards of what's acceptable than any other set of boosters in history.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

It's tough because in forward thinking minds, winning the battle this week will be losing the war.

Some are viewing it as if we beat OM this week that would cause us to lose to OM next year and possibly the year after. Weight that against a loss this year probably ensures a win next year as long as we don't hire a pile of shit again and then could set us ahead of them for years if we hire good as they are going to be treading the water they're at with Luke for a while.

That's where it's tricky. I think the best thing for every State fan to do is root for a win Thursday and a firing Friday. But then rest easy with a loss because we will fire this guy now that we lost.

Exactly, that's where I'm at. Not only would a new coach = more total wins, I believe a new coach will = more wins vs OM specifically too.

Joe wins this year and stays, the program deteriorates even more as OM gets better (lot of young talent on O) and we lose next year. Then the new coach has an even bigger hole to dig out of in '21 as Plumlee and Ealy and Mingo are 3rd year starting Jrs and we probably lose that one too. Lose Thursday, make a decent hire, and we win the next 2

[TrapGame]

I simply don't believe the narrative that we're firing Joe even if we go 6-6.

NO coach has EVER been fired in year 2 after making a bowl. But I'm supposed to believe our AD and relatively poor boosters will do what no USC, Bama, OSU, or Michigan ever has?

My guess is that some boosters do want joe gone even at 6-6, they're making a lot of noise in the AD's office, and they're the "sources" everyone talks about. BUT, I have zero faith our boosters as a whole have higher standards of what's acceptable than any other set of boosters in history.

"It's not about wins and losses." That's what we've heard from the company men over the last week. Did Joe strike you as a man fighting for his job yesterday in his press conference? Joe is moving on. It has mentioned by people that know him in the sports media that he is not happy at MSU. He has been completely overwhelmed by the SEC.

[yjnkdawg]

I’m not saying to pull for Ole Miss. I’m saying that we shouldnt keep a bad coach based on winning that game.

You sure fooled me then, but I agree with not keeping a coach based upon one game. ----------"Egg Bowl - some of you are so worried about losing that game that you can?t see the big picture. Some of us on here are focused ahead."