THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[Pipedream]

Ummmm...we are.

Just remember, if you truly believe Groce is our 4th option, you compare that to when Mullen would get a 4th option and Moorhead wins by a landslide.

Moorhead wasn't going to come in and never miss. That's stupid to think question is when he does miss, can we do better at elevating the lower portion of our class.

If Groce is in fact a 4th option, then Moorhead has done part of his job at elevating recruiting.

Ummmmm?..we aren't.

SEC class ranking average:
Mullen (09-17): 9.56
Moorhead (18-20): 9.67

That's a projection on 2020 ranking since the signing class isn't signed yet. This narrative that we're recruiting better, with the context of our peers, is just flat out false.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Ummmmm?..we aren't.

SEC class ranking average:
Mullen (09-17): 9.56
Moorhead (18-20): 9.67

That's a projection on 2020 ranking since the signing class isn't signed yet. This narrative that we're recruiting better, with the context of our peers, is just flat out false.

True!! He may be addressing needs better than Mullen but recruiting better quality players? No.

[Cooterpoot]

You can bang on Joe all you want, but recruiting is one phase of his HC job he gets..
And if Groce is like you say our 4th option then that?s a pretty ****ing good pull...
Wheat and Groce is a solid LB combo for this class.

I don?t remember Dan struggling with pulling LBs. I mean, McKinney wasn?t a highly rated guy. All the folks that used to ?bang? on Mullen for finding diamonds are now saying he was pulling bad players? Nah, he failed at WR and OL some but that?s about it. Joe has no LBs on his roster worth mentioning and Gay is likely leaving. We’ve got nothing much at OLB and Joe is stuck taking a kid that?s too slow for LB and too small for DL. Just how it is.
MS talent is down this year. We need to pull Cooper but we don’t have much shot at him. We should’ve taken him over Brown.

[Pipedream]

True!! He may be addressing needs better than Mullen but recruiting better quality players? No.

Well, this is the dilemma. Yes-he's recruiting a better average quality player, BUT so is everyone else in the SEC. I relate it to the athletic department budget. Yes, we are increasing nationally to a place we've never been before, but we are in the same spot within the league. The tide is rising the boats of everyone. You have to get better players than your opposition for it to make a difference and that's not happening right now and to someones earlier point, it might not ever happen which is what makes coaching/developing/structure such an important facet of the State job.

[Tripp McNeely]

Glad we could pull our 4th option..

He would be the highest rated LB on the bears board. Should we aim higher, yes...but from a historical ?relative? perspective, that?s progress!

[Really Clark?]

Well, this is the dilemma. Yes-he's recruiting a better average quality player, BUT so is everyone else in the SEC. I relate it to the athletic department budget. Yes, we are increasing nationally to a place we've never been before, but we are in the same spot within the league. The tide is rising the boats of everyone. You have to get better players than your opposition for it to make a difference and that's not happening right now and to someones earlier point, it might not ever happen which is what makes coaching/developing/structure such an important facet of the State job.

Actually I don?t think he is recruiting a better average quality player, this isn?t a knock on Joe. I think the sites have changed their ranking system and have actually done a better job of giving players from rural areas proper grades. But a 3 star ranking is now almost a default rating if a players has an SEC offer. That?s why the perception is we are signing better quality players but in actuality across the board it?s the same player we have signed for a while now...they just have a higher rating by the recruiting sites and why our position among the league is about the same as it?s been for a decade.

[Cooterpoot]

He would be the highest rated LB on the bears board. Should we aim higher, yes...but from a historical ?relative? perspective, that?s progress!

Why do I care what OM is recruiting. I’m concerned about our recruiting. And not about ranking really. I want the best players. Fact is, we missed and he’s our last resort guy.

[Bothrops]

Moorhead recruiting effort > Mullen recruiting effort

[msbulldog]

Moorhead recruiting effort > Mullen recruiting effort

Absolutely more effort. Dan was looking for an out and did not give a damn about recruiting. Having an asst. coach set up a speaker phone for a call in in-home visit with AJ Brown. C'MON MANE!

[msstate7]

Moorhead recruiting effort > Mullen recruiting effort

I'm sure Chad Morris was really trying hard to win at ark.

Who cares how hard someone tries? Results are all that matter in college football

[StateDawg44]

I'm sure Chad Morris was really trying hard to win at ark.

Who cares how hard someone tries? Results are all that matter in college football

Took the words out of my mouth.

Joe could've made things a lot easier on the recruiting trail than he has so far. Effort goes a helluva long way and is appreciated but the product has to be good too.

[Leroy Jenkins]

"Don't confuse effort with results" -Some guy I don't know.

[Ari Gold]

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I don?t remember Dan struggling with pulling LBs. I mean, McKinney wasn?t a highly rated guy. All the folks that used to ?bang? on Mullen for finding diamonds are now saying he was pulling bad players? Nah, he failed at WR and OL some but that?s about it. Joe has no LBs on his roster worth mentioning and Gay is likely leaving. We’ve got nothing much at OLB and Joe is stuck taking a kid that?s too slow for LB and too small for DL. Just how it is.
MS talent is down this year. We need to pull Cooper but we don’t have much shot at him. We should’ve taken him over Brown.

The jury is still out on what we have a LB.. We have a couple of young guys that might be pretty good. Burrell is going to be a good player. Let’s see how the other young guys develop ..
and we are thin at LB why.???
Because we have NO upperclassmen in the 2 deeps. Leo a 5th year Sr Tim washington 5th year Sr. .. Errol 3rd year , Gay 3rd year ... That’s is...

And yes we hit a HR with BMac but anyone that says they knew that kid would be a pro is lying...

[Ari Gold]

Moorhead recruiting effort > Mullen recruiting effort

And it’s not even close...
prime example .. That RB at LSU that just beat Bama on sat.. well that kid was on campus numerous times. Coach Austin almost closed him by himself..

Again everyone can bang on CJM all they want about a lot of things, but his focus on recruiting and effort in recruiting isn’t one of them

[msbulldog]

nm

[Pipedream]

D

The jury is still out on what we have a LB.. We have a couple of young guys that might be pretty good. Burrell is going to be a good player. Let?s see how the other young guys develop ..
and we are thin at LB why.???
Because we have NO upperclassmen in the 2 deeps. Leo a 5th year Sr Tim washington 5th year Sr. .. Errol 3rd year , Gay 3rd year ... That?s is...

And yes we hit a HR with BMac but anyone that says they knew that kid would be a pro is lying...

Who in the hell is Burrell? Errol is a rsJR. This is his 4th year. We only play 2 LB spots and outside of Brule (who is the 5th LB) they're all juniors or seniors.

[Matt3467]

Hey at least JoMo isn't falling asleep on recruits' couches!

[Ari Gold]

Who in the hell is Burrell? Errol is a rsJR. This is his 4th year. We only play 2 LB spots and outside of Brule (who is the 5th LB) they're all juniors or seniors.

Brule.. Burrell was spell check I guess.
That’s my point .. where are the Guys that should be In their 3rd and 4th year.. redshirt sophomores or true juniors ?
The poster said Mullen always recruited LB well .. so where are they ?
2 guys in their 5th year ,.. who one has underachieved based on optimism and the other never started.
Then we have Errol and Willie.. that’s it for upperclassmen

And yeah we play 2 lbs now .. we didn’t with Grantham and before that we ran a 3/4. We need more than 2-3 SEC ready LBs .. and if Shoop isn’t back next year and the DC wants to run a 4/3 we need depth there..

If Errol and Gay are back next year
With The young guys we have and Wheat coming in that’s a really good LB core.

[TrapGame]

Hey at least JoMo isn't falling asleep on recruits' couches!

LOL! That never gets old.

[Cooterpoot]

Brule.. Burrell was spell check I guess.
That’s my point .. where are the Guys that should be In their 3rd and 4th year.. redshirt sophomores or true juniors ?
The poster said Mullen always recruited LB well .. so where are they ?
2 guys in their 5th year ,.. who one has underachieved based on optimism and the other never started.
Then we have Errol and Willie.. that’s it for upperclassmen

And yeah we play 2 lbs now .. we didn’t with Grantham and before that we ran a 3/4
If Errol and Gay are back next year
With The young guys we have and Wheat coming in that’s a really good LB core. And what if Shoop is gone and they guy we hire runs a 4/3 base .. we need more than 2-3 SEC ready LBs

You know Mullen quit after 2016. But we’ve got and Errol & Gay. Both, Mullen guys. Their backups are both Mullen guys. Joe has failed to recruit the LB position this year. Last year we can blame Mullen but we slow played Cooper and took a kid we knew was likely to end up at OM. Wheat will play but we’ve got a lot of dead ships at the LB spot and no recruits to flip them.