THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[DeputyDawg94]

If the on filed issues continue I expect the whole class to implode.

[ZedFedder]

2021 Philadelphia athlete Kadarius Calloway commits to State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Kadariu...oway-46085605/

[ScoobaDawg]

2021 Philadelphia athlete Kadarius Calloway commits to State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Kadariu...oway-46085605/

What's the story here. unranked. beat out southern miss looks like.

Oh... he's class of 21.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

2021 Philadelphia athlete Kadarius Calloway commits to State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Kadariu...oway-46085605/

Top 5-10 player in the state next year.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/1132375...b1a512bcc60bb5

[HoopsDawg]

What's the story here. unranked. beat out southern miss looks like.

Oh... he's class of 21.

Yeah, good player. Hard to get excited about any 2021 kid. I guess JoMo wanted to tweet out some good news.

[Bothrops]

Kid has 8 interceptions this season...Wow!

[KOdawg1]

This is what gets me. Joe can recruit. I think he would elevate our talent level here. But its a matter of what he would do with them once they got here thats concerning. I really am rooting for the guy, just for the sole reason that he can recruit very well and seems to take recruiting seriously. But he already has turned Dans recruits soft. Imagine what he will do to his own

[Cooterpoot]

This is what gets me. Joe can recruit. I think he would elevate our talent level here. But its a matter of what he would do with them once they got here thats concerning. I really am rooting for the guy, just for the sole reason that he can recruit very well and seems to take recruiting seriously. But he already has turned Dans recruits soft. Imagine what he will do to his own

He’s not recruiting better from a talent standpoint. Current class (if it sticks) will finish around 25-30.

[msu15]

He’s not recruiting better from a talent standpoint. Current class (if it sticks) will finish around 25-30.

Mullen’s 3rd class was in the 40’s. He’s recruiting better.

[dawgday166]

Mullen’s 3rd class was in the 40’s. He’s recruiting better.

You're right .. what a bummer of a class. Took us to #1.

So we gotta hope that if he stays, Moorhead can evaluate as well as Mullen. I will say Shrader and the 2 young DBs from last year look very promising. But Moorhead also has to make sure to even out the position groups too ... which is probably Mullen's main fault.

[msstate7]

Mullen’s 3rd class was in the 40’s. He’s recruiting better.

If you're gonna compare 3rd class to 3rd class, seems comparing the 3 classes leading up to each tenure is important for context.

Before Mullen... 2006-8: 40th, 34th, 53rd (avg 42.3)
Mullen... 2009-11: 18th, 30th, 41st (avg 29.7)

Mullen... 2015-17: 18th, 28th, 24th (avg 23.3)
Moorhead... 2018-20: 27th, 24th, ?

So Mullen in his first 3 classes raised our recruiting rankings over croom's last 3 by 12.6 spots.

Moorhead's 3rd class isn't complete, but he has to finish 19th this season just to tie Mullen's last 3. Doubt that happens

[Bothrops]

If you're gonna compare 3rd class to 3rd class, seems comparing the 3 classes leading up to each tenure is important for context.

Before Mullen... 2006-8: 40th, 34th, 53rd (avg 42.3)
Mullen... 2009-11: 18th, 30th, 41st (avg 29.7)

Mullen... 2015-17: 18th, 28th, 24th (avg 23.3)
Moorhead... 2018-20: 27th, 24th, ?

So Mullen in his first 3 classes raised our recruiting rankings over croom's last 3 by 12.6 spots.

Moorhead's 3rd class isn't complete, but he has to finish 19th this season just to tie Mullen's last 3. Doubt that happens

When it comes to recruiting, Moorhead is several spots above Mullen. There are several players here and committed that we wouldn't have under Dan, including Shrader.

[msstate7]

When it comes to recruiting, Moorhead is several spots above Mullen. There are several players here and committed that we wouldn't have under Dan, including Shrader.

Well there's no data to support that.

[KOdawg1]

He’s not recruiting better from a talent standpoint. Current class (if it sticks) will finish around 25-30.

We don't get Charles Cross with Mullen

[msugolf]

When it comes to recruiting, Moorhead is several spots above Mullen. There are several players here and committed that we wouldn't have under Dan, including Shrader.

1. I'd wait till signing day to be touting his recruiting skills. I think we'll lose a couple of highly rated guys.

2. Were currently 20th with 6-7 more commits than a lot of other schools. We've hit our ceiling on that ranking while others can move past us.

3. Dan had several classes in the mid 20s (where this one will end up IMO). And he had a class ranked 18th.

4. Our highest rated guys in this class are skill guys which tend to be more hit or miss than interior guys.

All that to say I think the notions of JoMo being some elite recruiter are being grossly exaggerated and it's become the narrative with everyone that mentions keeping him.

[msugolf]

We don't get Charles Cross with Mullen

We don't get Dak Prescott with JoMo

[KOdawg1]

We don't get Dak Prescott with JoMo

You're right. I'm not trying to turn this into a JoMo vs. Mullen debate. Mullen is a far superior coach and probably better at finding ''diamonds in the rough'' type players. I'm just saying Joe gives more effort in recruiting, and therefore, will land a high end player or two that Mullen would not have. That's not saying that I want to keep Joe bc I'm getting sick of him too. At the end of the day though, we'll be around the same in the recruiting rankings bc we're Mississippi State. We're never going to recruit at a high level.

[Irondawg]

You also have to look at circumstances as well.

Mullen got to recruit against OM while they were being investigated. A large part of how well both OM and MSU recruit is tied to in-state class quality and rankings. Then last year we only signed 2 of the top 10 in state for a variety of weird reasons and still did ok. This year we may only get 2-3 as well but 24/7 rankings still seem a big jacked up compared to how many programs actually want some of these guys.

The big things with recruiting to me is can you go out of state and grab some guys. We did with GS, but this year we're hardly doing any of that which is a tad concerning.

[Really Clark?]

You also have to look at circumstances as well.

Mullen got to recruit against OM while they were being investigated. A large part of how well both OM and MSU recruit is tied to in-state class quality and rankings. Then last year we only signed 2 of the top 10 in state for a variety of weird reasons and still did ok. This year we may only get 2-3 as well but 24/7 rankings still seem a big jacked up compared to how many programs actually want some of these guys.

The big things with recruiting to me is can you go out of state and grab some guys. We did with GS, but this year we're hardly doing any of that which is a tad concerning.

Mullen also had to recruit against them while they were doing all the illegal things they did to get investigated. Which many held against Mullen at the time for getting out recruited. That definitely went both ways during Mullen?s time here

[Irondawg]

True - at the end of the day the state produces enough rates talent that we should always be in the 30's. It's how you can sell your program outside the state that tells me if you can really recruit or not. That and keeping the absolute top talent in state if you have more influence than OM in that area. I mean a kid like Dean was a great fit at MSU (4H kid, etc) and it was a position of huge need and we couldn't even get an official visit.