What is the Athletic Department Going to Do To Get this Program Back on Track?

[ShotgunDawg]

I agree with most of what you think the problems are... I don't agree with most of your solutions...

I think we just need another class division of college football... and quit pretending they're "amateurs"...

(I'm not advocating for a "P4P" deal... just sayin' if it were segregated, the sum of the parts would be greater than the whole...)

How many schools would there be in this "new class" and how would that help the current situation?

Also, remember that whatever "new class" you create effects ALL sports. Not just football.

Also, why would creating a new class be better than cutting scholarship, which would build in more parity?

[Coursesuper]

I agree with most of what you think the problems are... I don't agree with most of your solutions...

I think we just need another class division of college football... and quit pretending they're "amateurs"...

(I'm not advocating for a "P4P" deal... just sayin' if it were segregated, the sum of the parts would be greater than the whole...)

Why pay college players to play ball and get an education. The NFL can pick up the ticket for a minor league for football and kids that belong in college classrooms can play college football. That solves the different classification deal and paying players all in one move.

[Sparrows2]

I agree with most of what you think the problems are... I don't agree with most of your solutions...

I think we just need another class division of college football... and quit pretending they're "amateurs"...

(I'm not advocating for a "P4P" deal... just sayin' if it were segregated, the sum of the parts would be greater than the whole...)

The truth is Alabama is historically good because they cheat. The Albert means saga proved that there are sidewalk fans willing to put massive money to make Alabama successful. Other schools outside of UCLA in the 60?s in basketball, Louisville and Kentucky in basketball and Oklahoma of the 70?s simply don?t have fans that dedicated and ruthless.
When a school does decide to cheat at that level like SMU in the 70?s the powers backdoor whisper to the NCAA
I am not advocating MSU cheat, to cheat at this level you need a law school and journalism school that pumps out legal fixers and appologists

It is what it is, but no need for a bama fan to try and tell everyone how to fix the system

[ShotgunDawg]

The truth is Alabama is historically good because they cheat. The Albert means saga proved that there are sidewalk fans willing to put massive money to make Alabama successful. Other schools outside of UCLA in the 60’s in basketball, Louisville and Kentucky in basketball and Oklahoma of the 70’s simply don’t have fans that dedicated and ruthless.
When a school does decide to cheat at that level like SMU in the 70’s the powers backdoor whisper to the NCAA

It is what it is, but no need for a bama fan to try and tell everyone how to fix the system

Of course they do, but I've kind of just accepted that this is what goes on at this point.

The question now is: how do we create a more parity & more interest within this system?

[Todd4State]

The truth is Alabama is historically good because they cheat. The Albert means saga proved that there are sidewalk fans willing to put massive money to make Alabama successful. Other schools outside of UCLA in the 60?s in basketball, Louisville and Kentucky in basketball and Oklahoma of the 70?s simply don?t have fans that dedicated and ruthless.
When a school does decide to cheat at that level like SMU in the 70?s the powers backdoor whisper to the NCAA
I am not advocating MSU cheat, to cheat at this level you need a law school and journalism school that pumps out legal fixers and appologists

It is what it is, but no need for a bama fan to try and tell everyone how to fix the system

Bob Tyler learned how to cheat from Bear Bryant and Johnny Vaught. Two of the biggest cheaters out there- and of course we were the ones that got burned.

[Todd4State]

Of course they do, but I've kind of just accepted that this is what goes on at this point.

The question now is: how do we create a more parity & more interest within this system?

Ethical officials would be a good start. A big part of the problem is it's very obvious that certain "haves" are protected.

I suspect they could expand the playoffs to 16 teams and have mixed officiating crews in the playoffs. That way there would be less incentive to "protect" an Alabama because they could still get into the playoffs with a loss or two- which would mean an upset loss to Mississippi State wouldn't necessarily kill their National Title hopes. Which would create more interest because more people in theory would "have a chance".

[TUSK]

All of the above posts are accurate, for the most part... We just cull out the "haves"... Say the top 25 teams based on value, success, attendance, etc...

The remaining programs could set up their own network, officiating system, scholarship limitations, etc...

The new (25 team) league could take a percentage of their increase in revenue and kick it down to help subsidize the other programs.

[TUSK]

Bob Tyler learned how to cheat from Bear Bryant and Johnny Vaught. Two of the biggest cheaters out there- and of course we were the ones that got burned.

The Kang and Dye got a LOT of pointers from Tha Bahr, too... A bunch of other coaches, too...

They all cheat... Some are just better and/or more committed...

[Coursesuper]

All of the above posts are accurate, for the most part... We just cull out the "haves"... Say the top 25 teams based on value, success, attendance, etc...

The remaining programs could set up their own network, officiating system, scholarship limitations, etc...

The new (25 team) league could take a percentage of their increase in revenue and kick it down to help subsidize the other programs.

That's exactly what's coming, in may take 15 years, that minus kicking the money down to help the lower classifications the NCAA will probably not be a part of this set up. 20 years or so ago there was almost a split but the big 10 wouldn't move, now they won't be able to stop it any team that will go will leave for the revenue windfall.

[ShotgunDawg]

All of the above posts are accurate, for the most part... We just cull out the "haves"... Say the top 25 teams based on value, success, attendance, etc...

The remaining programs could set up their own network, officiating system, scholarship limitations, etc...

The new (25 team) league could take a percentage of their increase in revenue and kick it down to help subsidize the other programs.

I just can't see this happening because of how it would effect other sports.

It sounds great in football, but it would be a disaster for other sports.

I could see power 5 separating but that would still leave us in the same spot we currently are in terms of a lack of competitive balance.

I just can't see the point of separating only 25 schools when it's much easier for everyone to just lower the scholarships.

[ShotgunDawg]

That's exactly what's coming,

No it's not.

It's a pipedream that lacks an understanding of the unintended consequences.

[Dawg2003]

I just can't see this happening because of how it would effect other sports.

It sounds great in football, but it would be a disaster for other sports.

I could see power 5 separating but that would still leave us in the same spot we currently are in terms of a lack of competitive balance.

I just can't see the point of separating only 25 schools when it's much easier for everyone to just lower the scholarships.

Football would be in a separate "conference." Something similar happens on a smaller level with non-revenue sports. Florida's women's lacrosse team is in the AAC in that sport only. They were previously in the Big East. Notre Dame football is independent, but the rest of their sports are in the ACC. So similar stuff happens.

If a break happens in football, all Power 5 teams won't go. Probably 25 like Tusk said. The ones with the most potential revenue and name brand. I don't think that would be us. I just don't think our fans care quite that much about football. We are fair weather football fans but have always wanted to be a baseball school.

[Coursesuper]

No it's not.

It's a pipedream that lacks an understanding of the unintended consequences.

You have no idea how close it was to happening before, the CFA thing almost happened it was very very close. Now that the networks are so much more in control of things its a real possibility, the possible revenue is astronomical compared to the monies that are being thrown around today.

[ShotgunDawg]

Football would be in a separate "conference." Something similar happens on a smaller level with non-revenue sports. Florida's women's lacrosse team is in the AAC in that sport only. They were previously in the Big East. Notre Dame football is independent, but the rest of their sports are in the ACC. So similar stuff happens.

If a break happens in football, all Power 5 teams won't go. Probably 25 like Tusk said. The ones with the most potential revenue and name brand. I don't think that would be us. I just don't think our fans care quite that much about football. We are fair weather football fans but have always wanted to be a baseball school.

But that's not going to happen. The power 5 schools left out of that football conference would never agree to that.

[ShotgunDawg]

You have no idea how close it was to happening before, the CFA thing almost happened it was very very close. Now that the networks are so much more in control of things its a real possibility, the possible revenue is astronomical compared to the monies that are being thrown around today.

I don't think it's ever been close to happening

[Coursesuper]

I don't think it's ever been close to happening

It happened.

[ShotgunDawg]

It happened.

Please explain

[Dawg2003]

But that's not going to happen. The power 5 schools left out of that football conference would never agree to that.

Why would the schools that are left have to agree to the other schools leaving?

[dawgs]

The biggest issue outside of just the overall state of college football that we can?t change is our fans don?t like the style of football we are trying to play offensively. JoMo is playing a style I would expect from Ole Miss not us. We have lost our mindset of instilling our physical will on you that brought us to number 1 ranking.

Disagree with this point entirely. I wanted to claw my eyes out every time it was 3rd and 3 and Mullen called for a QB power again thatvworks against usm but gets stuffed by bama every time.

[dawgs]

[QUOTE=Coursesuper;1149863]

Your one task there but I don't think scholarship reductions with have the affect many then they will.

Reducing the scholarship number doesn't benefit MSU or any other program trying to compete with the top of the heap. The kids that want to go to Alabama, LSU, Ohio State and so forth are still going to go there, the scholarship limit isn't going to more equality distribute talent. It's will only make schools like MSU less deep because we won't be able take any chances on a marginal recruit on our board because there will be no spot for that kid.

It will benefit the MAC, Sun Belt, AAC, CUSA and the FCS division.

We'd get some guys that'd normally find a place at bama or Clemson or uga or LSU, and G5 guys would get some guys that normally would find a place at MSU or OM or Arkansas or Kentucky, FCS would get some guys that'd normally end up at usm or Memphis or Troy st.