Josh Robinson's tweet

[dawgs]

I hope every player on our roster thinks they could be helping the team and wants more reps. In their head they know they gotta bust their ass and wait their turn, but in their heart I hope they think they are good enough to help with more reps.

[Bully Dee Williams]

Because he was better. I think the players and the fans know that.

If there is one thing I hope Mullen changes as he matures as a hc is this personnel thing.

I really don't have much of a problem with the way Mullen has handled most personnel issues. At times, we could say a few of the players drawing the PT were naturally less "talented" than the some of the guys on the bench. However, talent only tells part of the story. Our staff puts a premium on practicing/training hard, leadership, and doing things the right way. That sounds cliche, but it the best course of action for a historically underperforming and unrespected program. That approach has laid a strong foundation upon which we can build a program with depth an little to no attrition. During these past few seasons it has been easy to feel impatient, but we are now starting to see the fruits of developing a team of team first hardworking guys.

[Schultzy]

[QUOTE=Bully Dee Williams;113979]n practicing/training hard, leadership, and doing things the right way.

You just described Robinson.

[TheDogFather]

I don't understand the he is better crowd.

A) do you honestly think the entire coaching staff would torpedo their careers by keeping the best player on the sideline?

If you say yes there is no reason to continue this thread.

B) it doesn't matter how many games you watch on TV or how many posts you make on an anonymous internet message board, you will never have all of the information required to label one player better than the other.

If you disagree with B then please posts your game performance charts with made/missed assignments of every play along side of your practice notes and analysis.

[Bully Dee Williams]

[QUOTE=Schultzy;114009]

n practicing/training hard, leadership, and doing things the right way.

You just described Robinson.

No doubt. Josh is a good kid, but he had some growing up that he did this year. He keeps working hard on and off the field, then he will continue to have major opportunities. I love the kid.

[Political Hack]

I don't understand the he is better crowd.

A) do you honestly think the entire coaching staff would torpedo their careers by keeping the best player on the sideline?

If you say yes there is no reason to continue this thread.

B) it doesn't matter how many games you watch on TV or how many posts you make on an anonymous internet message board, you will never have all of the information required to label one player better than the other.

If you disagree with B then please posts your game performance charts with made/missed assignments of every play along side of your practice notes and analysis.

so you're not a "star" guy I presume?

I think JRob is more talented. "Better" is a different story and you're right, only the coaches know that. JRob is more talented though.

[Todd4State]

I don't understand the he is better crowd.

A) do you honestly think the entire coaching staff would torpedo their careers by keeping the best player on the sideline?

If you say yes there is no reason to continue this thread.

B) it doesn't matter how many games you watch on TV or how many posts you make on an anonymous internet message board, you will never have all of the information required to label one player better than the other.

If you disagree with B then please posts your game performance charts with made/missed assignments of every play along side of your practice notes and analysis.

A) I don't think the coaches are intentionally not playing who they think is worse. I do think that sometimes they may misjudge what some of our players can do and put them in positions that aren't as advantageous to them or the team. Perkins was not a bad player. But he's simply not an every down, run it 25 times between the tackles kind of guy. We should have used him at least twice as much in the passing game than we did. If we had used Robinson about twice as much as we did, our offense would have been even better than it was.

B) I'd like to see your performance chart first. Anonymous posters calling out other posters for being anonymous is one of the most ironic things in the history of the Internet. Robinson had the key block on Damian's OT TD run over Arkansas.

Robinson- 78 carries, 459 yards, 5.9 AVG 3 TD's. 12 Receptions, 115 yards receiving, 0 TD's

Perkins- 137 carries, 542 yards, 4.0 AVG, 2 TD's. 27 Reception, 248 yards receiving, 3 TD's

Robinson had almost as many yards as Robinson and more rushing TD's with almost half as many carries. He averaged almost 2 yards per carry more. On top of that, he's almost as proficient as a receiver as Perkins is based on the stats as well.

[Barking 13]

point blank...period!

[CadaverDawg]

A) I don't think the coaches are intentionally not playing who they think is worse. I do think that sometimes they may misjudge what some of our players can do and put them in positions that aren't as advantageous to them or the team. Perkins was not a bad player. But he's simply not an every down, run it 25 times between the tackles kind of guy. We should have used him at least twice as much in the passing game than we did. If we had used Robinson about twice as much as we did, our offense would have been even better than it was.

B) I'd like to see your performance chart first. Anonymous posters calling out other posters for being anonymous is one of the most ironic things in the history of the Internet. Robinson had the key block on Damian's OT TD run over Arkansas.

Robinson- 78 carries, 459 yards, 5.9 AVG 3 TD's. 12 Receptions, 115 yards receiving, 0 TD's

Perkins- 137 carries, 542 yards, 4.0 AVG, 2 TD's. 27 Reception, 248 yards receiving, 3 TD's

Robinson had almost as many yards as Robinson and more rushing TD's with almost half as many carries. He averaged almost 2 yards per carry more. On top of that, he's almost as proficient as a receiver as Perkins is based on the stats as well.

Boom.

Come on, DogFather, you're better than that "Show me your experience" horse shit. Robinson is clearly the better every down back. Perkins is great catching passes out of the backfield and running draws in long yardage situations.

[tcdog70]

[QUOTE=CadaverDawg;114238]Boom.

Come on, DogFather, you're better than that "Show me your experience" horse shit. Robinson is clearly the better every down back. Perkins is great catching passes out of the backfield and running draws in long yardage situations.[/QUOTE

Ha, right on it is pretty obvious. hell, Stevie Wonder can see that.

[TheDogFather]

Well said.

[TheDogFather]

You missed my point.

Where is the stats on missed assignments. You have to judge by the net contribution.

[TheDogFather]

My point is still being missed.

How many times did the RB - no matter the name - miss a blocking assignment or not make the correct read.

You not me nor anyone outside the coaching staff can make those judgements.

Making blanket judgements without all of the facts is irresponsible.

What it comes down to which nobody is going to admit is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff.

[dawgoneyall]

A.

[HoopsDawg]

My point is still being missed.

How many times did the RB - no matter the name - miss a blocking assignment or not make the correct read.

You not me nor anyone outside the coaching staff can make those judgements.

Making blanket judgements without all of the facts is irresponsible.

What it comes down to which nobody is going to admit is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff.

Let's not act like they haven't made mistakes with personnel in the past:

1) Playing Kaleb Eulls at DE for 2 years. Not giving Preston Smith more reps in 2012.
2) Never giving Darius Slay the opportunity to return kicks even though he was a Juco AA KR. Instead, we went with Ladarius Perkins who was ineffective.
3) Playing Broomfield over Slay at corner.
4) Dak-Gator Bowl and really the Ok State game.

Even Paul Jones has admitted the staff sometimes sticks with the older players too long.

[engie]

My point is still being missed.

How many times did the RB - no matter the name - miss a blocking assignment or not make the correct read.

You not me nor anyone outside the coaching staff can make those judgements.

Making blanket judgements without all of the facts is irresponsible.

What it comes down to which nobody is going to admit is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff.

So, if Robinson screws up a blocking assignment or makes a bad read twice a game, what is that? 10-15 yards lost?

Based on rushing averages, he makes up that difference in getting about 8 additional carries. In 10-15 additional carries, that is still a pretty significant net gain. Meaning he's still the better option.

I'll rerun my numbers later on the two against top 30 rush defense teams. The difference is STAGGERING.

[K9 Avenger]

My point is still being missed.

How many times did the RB - no matter the name - miss a blocking assignment or not make the correct read.

You not me nor anyone outside the coaching staff can make those judgements.

Making blanket judgements without all of the facts is irresponsible.

What it comes down to which nobody is going to admit is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff.

Bingo...this is spot on! The fact of the matter is that while Robinson is better carrying the football than Perk, he hasn't been as good at most everything else that's required of a RB in this offense. If you don't believe that then go ask a Coach. I promise you this Coaching Staff realizes that this isn't rec league soccer...they're trying to win games.

[Todd4State]

My point is still being missed.

How many times did the RB - no matter the name - miss a blocking assignment or not make the correct read.

You not me nor anyone outside the coaching staff can make those judgements.

Making blanket judgements without all of the facts is irresponsible.

What it comes down to which nobody is going to admit is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff.

How many times did Dak or Tyler get sacked because of Josh missing a blocking assignment? We run a good bit of the time- and we run the option a lot of the time, which means that our running back is either getting the ball from the QB or basically is a decoy to get the ball. Of course, it's hard to miss assignments when you're not playing in the game. With people like Coach34 and Coach57 on here, IF Robinson was missing a lot of assignments- they would have brought it up by now. Coach57 goes to some practices as well as the games.

I provided stats that showed very clearly that Robinson is the better of the two. You can throw out "assignments" all you want- but those stats reflect within the context of our offense what a running back is EXPECTED to do- hence their assignment. The running back is a skill position- other than the QB, they are expected to handle the ball on most plays. And even on most pass plays, they go out and run a pass route. They are not primary blockers. When Robinson has the ball in his hand, he is a superior player than Perkins.

And you're wrong in your conclusion- what you are saying is that there is some mystical thing about football that only the coaches understand that the common man doesn't and can't understand, so we need to not talk about it and eat our popcorn. All you're really proving is that you are self-righteous and don't know a lot about what a running back does. Dan should be called out on this. Should he be fired over it? No. But it is something that limits our offense.

[Todd4State]

Bingo...this is spot on! The fact of the matter is that while Robinson is better carrying the football than Perk, he hasn't been as good at most everything else that's required of a RB in this offense. If you don't believe that then go ask a Coach. I promise you this Coaching Staff realizes that this isn't rec league soccer...they're trying to win games.

So, you're saying that they're telling our RB's to fall down after two yards? Because that and maybe catching the ball out of the backfield was the only thing that Perkins did better than Robinson.

[engie]

Here are their numbers against top 40 rush defenses:

2013
Alabama - JRob 6 for 17, Perk 10 for 25
LSU - JRob 6 for 40, Perk 10 for 81
OK State - JRob 8 for 48, Perk 16 for 50

2012
Alabama - JRob 1 for 15, Perk 15 for 38
LSU - JRob 5 for 17, Perk DNP
Arkansas - JRob 4 for 26, Perk 17 for 91
Northwestern - JRob 7 for 91, Perk 19 for 84
Ole Miss - JRob DNP, Perk 16 for 45
Texas A&M - JRob 4 for 20, Perk 13 for 42

Totals vs Good Run Defenses:
JRob 41 for 274 - AVG of 6.68
Perk: 116 for 456 - AVG of 3.93

JRob is SEVENTY PERCENT more productive per carry. That's totally insane.