Perusing the Penn State board after Steven's camp....

[Matt3467]

Interesting read. Some say they hate he left while others say he may not have even been the second best QB there. I think some are quite salty while others are more realistic.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/thread...t-camp.240805/

[ShotgunDawg]

Interesting read.

In all these situations there will be the sour grapes people & sky is falling people. Either way, I think the consensus is that Penn State fans liked Tommy, but in many ways, like us, I'm not sure they saw him play enough to really know how good he is.

Think about it, if KT left tomorrow for another school, would you really know how good he was?

I think it's a similar situation.

[msstate7]

No idea how good Stevens is, but I think it's pretty clear Franklin thinks Clifford is better. I don't think he would've let Stevens walk if he felt Stevens were the better of the 2. With that said, both Stevens and Clifford could be studs. I just don't see why a penn st fan would have sour grapes if they trust Franklin.

[klong-dog]

I think Franklin is very bullheaded on things.. I don't see him giving in on something like that.

[GreenheadDawg]

Fact of the matter is that Stevens is better than anything else we currently have.

[Jack Lambert]

No idea how good Stevens is, but I think it's pretty clear Franklin thinks Clifford is better. I don't think he would've let Stevens walk if he felt Stevens were the better of the 2. With that said, both Stevens and Clifford could be studs. I just don't see why a penn st fan would have sour grapes if they trust Franklin.

Franklin comes off as a arrogant A Hole. When he made the statement I have to see how hot a coaches wife is before I hire him said all I needed to know about him. Maybe Stevens just said I am tired of the SOB. Maybe Franklin is a A Hole to every. Maybe Stevens just said I am going to go play for a guy I like. One guy made that point in that thread. "Maybe he just like Moorhead More."

[Pollodawg]

Fact of the matter is that Stevens is better than anything else we currently have.

/thread.

[msstate7]

I was interested in how the graduate transfer QBs of last year worked out, so I found the list of the top 20

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018...are-they-going

I don't have time to check every one of them out right now, but minshew is the only one I recognized as having a good year. Now I don't know all of them, so there could've been more. You guys help me out with figuring success rate

[Dawgfan77]

No idea how good Stevens is, but I think it's pretty clear Franklin thinks Clifford is better. I don't think he would've let Stevens walk if he felt Stevens were the better of the 2. With that said, both Stevens and Clifford could be studs. I just don't see why a penn st fan would have sour grapes if they trust Franklin.

TS wasn?t promised the starting job at PSU. Yes he was the clear favorite going into the spring but that?s when it all went down hill. The main issue was that Franklin and the staff mismanaged TS ankle injury in December which kept him out of spring practice. Franklin promised him that he would compete for the starting job but then named a starter after spring without giving TS a fair shot This was not that TS was bad or not good it was that staff mismanagement of the injury and the competition. This is why he transferred

[Tbonewannabe]

I was interested in how the graduate transfer QBs of last year worked out, so I found the list of the top 20

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018...are-they-going

I don't have time to check every one of them out right now, but minshew is the only one I recognized as having a good year. Now I don't know all of them, so there could've been more. You guys help me out with figuring success rate

Most of those transferred down so I didn't recognize them but I just randomly looked up Brady White who transferred to Memphis. He led the AAC in passing and was tied with Drew Locke at 20th in the nation in TDs. That is pretty good. I would bet most of the guys was at least as good or better than any QB on the roster which is the important part.

Getting Stevens doesn't hurt unless KT transfers and was actually the better QB. I doubt that is the case at least in Moorhead's offense unless KT has gotten drastically better from the Spring game. I am not going to check but I imagine you have several posts during or after the spring game saying we are screwed because KT can't complete more than 50% of his passes.

This seems to be a case of you just finding a reason to shit on Moorhead instead of saying he did a great job to get a QB to give us a better chance at success and the QB is possibly pretty damn good.

[BrunswickDawg]

I was interested in how the graduate transfer QBs of last year worked out, so I found the list of the top 20

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018...are-they-going

I don't have time to check every one of them out right now, but minshew is the only one I recognized as having a good year. Now I don't know all of them, so there could've been more. You guys help me out with figuring success rate

I'm Bored - so here you go.

20- Ryan Boyle - Iowa to Indiana - didn't play at either
19 - Shawn Stankavage - Vandy to Rice - threw 1 pass at Vandy. At Rice he went 124 of 219 for 1328 yards, 10 TD 10 INT - Rice Sucked, he seemed serviceable.
18 - Tucker Isreal - no info
17 - Jeff George, Jr - Illinois to Pitt - went from starter who lost job to not playing (proving his Jeff George's son)
16 - James Morgan - Bowling Green to FIU - serviceable QB at BGU. Lit up FIU for 213 of 326 for 2727 yards, 26 TDs and 7 int, went 8-3.
15 - Jacob Park - Iowa - no school in 2018
14 - JJ Consentino - FSU - no school in 2018
13 - Evan Shirreffs - Miami to Charlotte - Played in 3 games at Miami. Played in 5 at Charlotte
12 - Alex Malzone - Michigan to Miami U. (OH) - No appearances at Michigan. 2 games at Miami.
11 - Quinten Dormady - Tennesse to Houston - 13 games over 3 seasons at UT. 1 games at Houston
10 - Jalan McClendon- NCSU to Baylor - 14 appearances in 3 seasons at NCSU. Played 9 games at BU, 55 of 91 for 715, 3 TD and 3 INT
9 - Brady White - ASU to Memphis - 2 appearances in 3 seasons at ASU. Lit up Memphis with 246 for 392, 3296 yards, 26 TDs and 9 INT. Went 8-6
8 - KJ Carta-Samuels - Washington to Colorado State - 15 appearances in 3 seasons at Washington. Won starting job at CSU, went 183 for 298 with 2261 yards, 19 TDs and 9 INT, went 3-5 and lost his job.
7 - Gardner Minshew - We all know what he did for the Pirate
6 - Dru Brown - Hawaii to Oklahoma State - 2 year starter at Hawaii. Redshirted at OSU
5 - Tyler Wiegers - Iowa to Eastern Michigan - 5 appearances in 3 years at Iowa. Starter at EMU, 171 of 265 for 1887 yards, 11 TDs and 3 INTS. Went 7-5.
4 - Keller Chryst - Stanford to Tennesse - Former Stanford starter. Serviceable backup at UT.
3 - Alex Thomson - Wagner to Marshall - 4 appearances at Marshall
2 - Brandon Dawkins - Arizona to Indiana - Part time starter at AZ. DNP at Indiana.
1 - Wilton Speight - Michigan to UCLA - Former Michigan starter. Became UCLA starter in late October. Went 126 of 208 for 1527 yards, 6 TD and 6 INTs. Went 2-4.

Real mixed bag. Lots of guys who never played who continued not to play. 7 appear to have become starters at some point in the season - most doing ok. Minshew, Morgan, and White did very well.

[msstate7]

Most of those transferred down so I didn't recognize them but I just randomly looked up Brady White who transferred to Memphis. He led the AAC in passing and was tied with Drew Locke at 20th in the nation in TDs. That is pretty good. I would bet most of the guys was at least as good or better than any QB on the roster which is the important part.

Getting Stevens doesn't hurt unless KT transfers and was actually the better QB. I doubt that is the case at least in Moorhead's offense unless KT has gotten drastically better from the Spring game. I am not going to check but I imagine you have several posts during or after the spring game saying we are screwed because KT can't complete more than 50% of his passes.

This seems to be a case of you just finding a reason to shit on Moorhead instead of saying he did a great job to get a QB to give us a better chance at success and the QB is possibly pretty damn good.

I'm like the least concerned person you'll find on completion %. I think it's pretty terrible metric to judge a qb on.

BTW, I said we should pursue tommy in January bc clifford would win the job

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...hlight=stevens

Franks stuck around though... he's the one we really needed.

I posted that thread bc it shows I'm not anti-Stevens like I'm being painted. I just really believe in the odds and success rate for graduate transfers is something I was interested in

[msstate7]

I'm Bored - so here you go.

20- Ryan Boyle - Iowa to Indiana - didn't play at either
19 - Shawn Stankavage - Vandy to Rice - threw 1 pass at Vandy. At Rice he went 124 of 219 for 1328 yards, 10 TD 10 INT - Rice Sucked, he seemed serviceable.
18 - Tucker Isreal - no info
17 - Jeff George, Jr - Illinois to Pitt - went from starter who lost job to not playing (proving his Jeff George's son)
16 - James Morgan - Bowling Green to FIU - serviceable QB at BGU. Lit up FIU for 213 of 326 for 2727 yards, 26 TDs and 7 int, went 8-3.
15 - Jacob Park - Iowa - no school in 2018
14 - JJ Consentino - FSU - no school in 2018
13 - Evan Shirreffs - Miami to Charlotte - Played in 3 games at Miami. Played in 5 at Charlotte
12 - Alex Malzone - Michigan to Miami U. (OH) - No appearances at Michigan. 2 games at Miami.
11 - Quinten Dormady - Tennesse to Houston - 13 games over 3 seasons at UT. 1 games at Houston
10 - Jalan McClendon- NCSU to Baylor - 14 appearances in 3 seasons at NCSU. Played 9 games at BU, 55 of 91 for 715, 3 TD and 3 INT
9 - Brady White - ASU to Memphis - 2 appearances in 3 seasons at ASU. Lit up Memphis with 246 for 392, 3296 yards, 26 TDs and 9 INT. Went 8-6
8 - KJ Carta-Samuels - Washington to Colorado State - 15 appearances in 3 seasons at Washington. Won starting job at CSU, went 183 for 298 with 2261 yards, 19 TDs and 9 INT, went 3-5 and lost his job.
7 - Gardner Minshew - We all know what he did for the Pirate
6 - Dru Brown - Hawaii to Oklahoma State - 2 year starter at Hawaii. Redshirted at OSU
5 - Tyler Wiegers - Iowa to Eastern Michigan - 5 appearances in 3 years at Iowa. Starter at EMU, 171 of 265 for 1887 yards, 11 TDs and 3 INTS. Went 7-5.
4 - Keller Chryst - Stanford to Tennesse - Former Stanford starter. Serviceable backup at UT.
3 - Alex Thomson - Wagner to Marshall - 4 appearances at Marshall
2 - Brandon Dawkins - Arizona to Indiana - Part time starter at AZ. DNP at Indiana.
1 - Wilton Speight - Michigan to UCLA - Former Michigan starter. Became UCLA starter in late October. Went 126 of 208 for 1527 yards, 6 TD and 6 INTs. Went 2-4.

Real mixed bag. Lots of guys who never played who continued not to play. 7 appear to have become starters at some point in the season - most doing ok. Minshew, Morgan, and White did very well.

Thanks

[Tbonewannabe]

I'm Bored - so here you go.

20- Ryan Boyle - Iowa to Indiana - didn't play at either
19 - Shawn Stankavage - Vandy to Rice - threw 1 pass at Vandy. At Rice he went 124 of 219 for 1328 yards, 10 TD 10 INT - Rice Sucked, he seemed serviceable.
18 - Tucker Isreal - no info
17 - Jeff George, Jr - Illinois to Pitt - went from starter who lost job to not playing (proving his Jeff George's son)
16 - James Morgan - Bowling Green to FIU - serviceable QB at BGU. Lit up FIU for 213 of 326 for 2727 yards, 26 TDs and 7 int, went 8-3.
15 - Jacob Park - Iowa - no school in 2018
14 - JJ Consentino - FSU - no school in 2018
13 - Evan Shirreffs - Miami to Charlotte - Played in 3 games at Miami. Played in 5 at Charlotte
12 - Alex Malzone - Michigan to Miami U. (OH) - No appearances at Michigan. 2 games at Miami.
11 - Quinten Dormady - Tennesse to Houston - 13 games over 3 seasons at UT. 1 games at Houston
10 - Jalan McClendon- NCSU to Baylor - 14 appearances in 3 seasons at NCSU. Played 9 games at BU, 55 of 91 for 715, 3 TD and 3 INT
9 - Brady White - ASU to Memphis - 2 appearances in 3 seasons at ASU. Lit up Memphis with 246 for 392, 3296 yards, 26 TDs and 9 INT. Went 8-6
8 - KJ Carta-Samuels - Washington to Colorado State - 15 appearances in 3 seasons at Washington. Won starting job at CSU, went 183 for 298 with 2261 yards, 19 TDs and 9 INT, went 3-5 and lost his job.
7 - Gardner Minshew - We all know what he did for the Pirate
6 - Dru Brown - Hawaii to Oklahoma State - 2 year starter at Hawaii. Redshirted at OSU
5 - Tyler Wiegers - Iowa to Eastern Michigan - 5 appearances in 3 years at Iowa. Starter at EMU, 171 of 265 for 1887 yards, 11 TDs and 3 INTS. Went 7-5.
4 - Keller Chryst - Stanford to Tennesse - Former Stanford starter. Serviceable backup at UT.
3 - Alex Thomson - Wagner to Marshall - 4 appearances at Marshall
2 - Brandon Dawkins - Arizona to Indiana - Part time starter at AZ. DNP at Indiana.
1 - Wilton Speight - Michigan to UCLA - Former Michigan starter. Became UCLA starter in late October. Went 126 of 208 for 1527 yards, 6 TD and 6 INTs. Went 2-4.

Real mixed bag. Lots of guys who never played who continued not to play. 7 appear to have become starters at some point in the season - most doing ok. Minshew, Morgan, and White did very well.

This made the whole thing worth it.

So it looks like most QBs at least improved the team they went to at the QB position. Isn't that the entire point? It is only a detriment if Stevens is a worse QB and it runs off KT. Even then if Stevens gives us a better chance this year at a better record then it is worth it. It seems like Mayden and Shrader might be better suited for Joe's offense. Joe has stated that the best passer is the guy who will start.

[Tbonewannabe]

I'm like the least concerned person you'll find on completion %. I think it's pretty terrible metric to judge a qb on.

BTW, I said we should pursue tommy in January bc clifford would win the job

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...hlight=stevens

Franks stuck around though... he's the one we really needed.

I posted that thread bc it shows I'm not anti-Stevens like I'm being painted. I just really believe in the odds and success rate for graduate transfers is something I was interested in

Ok, I apologize. I just assumed you were trying to crap on Stevens. You have to admit that assuming you are being negative about anything to do with Moorhead is probably a safe assumption. At the end of the day, we all want Moorhead to be successful but some are worried due to the Croom affect which is completely understandable. When you wander in the desert for 5 years looking for competitive football and finally find it for a decade, you don't ever want to go back to those Croom level teams.

[msstate7]

Ok, I apologize. I just assumed you were trying to crap on Stevens. You have to admit that assuming you are being negative about anything to do with Moorhead is probably a safe assumption. At the end of the day, we all want Moorhead to be successful but some are worried due to the Croom affect which is completely understandable. When you wander in the desert for 5 years looking for competitive football and finally find it for a decade, you don't ever want to go back to those Croom level teams.

I'm not worried about going to croom level. I think joe is a much better coach. I'm concerned we downgraded from Mullen.

[Tbonewannabe]

I'm not worried about going to croom level. I think joe is a much better coach. I'm concerned we downgraded from Mullen.

We will see. Joe was at least universally regarded as a good coach. That doesn't necessarily mean he will be successful but he was actually a safer bet than when we hired Mullen initially. We had to hire someone and you would want to hire the guy you thought long term would be the best. We might have hired a coach that was more suited to coaching last year's offense but he also probably wouldn't have had that level of success on defense and long term might not be the answer. Hopefully Joe is but if not, at least he is recruiting as well as Mullen ever did. As long as he doesn't stumble up against a crap team (which he dominated last year) and we maintain around 7-8 wins then we at least aren't worse off.

[Jack Lambert]

We are having this discussion but isn't Stevens the only non four star scholarship QB on our roster?

[gravedigger]

This made the whole thing worth it.

So it looks like most QBs at least improved the team they went to at the QB position. Isn't that the entire point? It is only a detriment if Stevens is a worse QB and it runs off KT. Even then if Stevens gives us a better chance this year at a better record then it is worth it. It seems like Mayden and Shrader might be better suited for Joe's offense. Joe has stated that the best passer is the guy who will start.

yes, it's the point, but you have to start with someone who is not only good at running and throwing but someone who knows how to distribute the ball within the perameters of what Joe's offense calls for. In this case, it's a 1 year bridge to the freshman most likely. Not saying Mayden cant do it. Just saying that all of us saw that talent doesnt make one able to execute this particular offense. It takes some understanding of the roles of each rb and receiver.

The thing about Tommy is not just that he has experience in it. He has experience in it as being a wide out, a qb and a quasi running back taking handoffs.

I'm sure Tommy is realistic about his shot as an nfl qb and that it's kinda low, but this is his only shot to earn it. Along the way, my bet is he can slide into the wr position to help Mayden and Shraeder improve. This is like getting another qb coach on the field as much as it is someone who will march the team down the field.

[1bigdawg]

We are having this discussion but isn't Stevens the only non four star scholarship QB on our roster?

Yes.