2018-2019 EPL thread.....

[Liverpooldawg]

So would it essentially force a small team like Kansas City Royals to have a smaller payroll of say 70 Mil whereas the Yankees and RedSox have 150Mil to spend? Kansas City wouldn't be allowed to buy players to get to that level of payroll? Trying to put it in terms I understand.

Man City is more financially successful so they can spend more in payroll than someone like Leeds.

ManCity are bankrolled by one of the ruling families from the UAE. They don't make nearly enough money to spend what they do. That's my point about them and the FFP. If it was enforced, they aren't even close to what they are. It wasn't that long ago they were promoted. Heck I remember when they were relegated for the last time. They are actually a small club along the lines of present day Everton or Chelsea pre-Chelski. Without the oil money being illegally pumped in, they are nothing. The FFP was designed in part to prevent rich men's toys like City from buying titles.

[Liverpooldawg]

City took down Spurs yesterday. Liverpool won today. My guess is they both win out and City wins by 1 point.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

So would it essentially force a small team like Kansas City Royals to have a smaller payroll of say 70 Mil whereas the Yankees and RedSox have 150Mil to spend? Kansas City wouldn't be allowed to buy players to get to that level of payroll? Trying to put it in terms I understand.

Man City is more financially successful so they can spend more in payroll than someone like Leeds.

Yes, though Man City (and PSG) is actually an example of what FFP is basically trying to stop from happening again. Man City does not, and definitely did not 10 years ago, produce enough revenue to spend the amount of money they have spent over the past decade to get to where they are now. They were bought out by the Abu Dabi United Group around 2008, which means they quite literally have the UAE government funding them and pumping hundreds of millions of dollar into the club. PSG essentially went down the same path but with Qatar instead of the UAE.

So using your baseball analogy and the numbers in it, FFP was created to essentially stop two scenarios from happening:

1) Jeff Bezos decides he wants to buy the Royals and expand their payroll to $200m. The Royals only produce enough revenue for a $70m payroll, so he pumps $130m of his personal money into the team each season so that they can have one of the best teams in baseball. This is basically what Chelsea did two decades ago, and what PSG and Man City have done in the last decade.

2) This one is more lengthy and imaginative: Say all the minor league teams are independent franchises and there is promotion and relegation between the MLB, AAA, AA, A. The Memphis Redbirds are sitting in AAA, where everyone's revenue per season is between about $5-15m. The Redbirds decide its a good idea to take out a loan to expand their payroll from $8m to $40m for the upcoming season. The logic is that they will now have the best team in AAA, win the championship, and get promoted to the MLB where the TV $$$ and what not is so much more lucrative that it will ensure that their revenue will at least be $70m the next season. The problem is, they don't get promoted. Now they have a $32 million dollar outstanding loan that they cannot pay off and their club in on the verge of collapse. This is somewhat like what Portsmouth, Leeds and Rangers did.


Scenario 1 is the part that makes it feel like FFP is the creation of a glass ceiling. From the perspective of non-major clubs, the major clubs that got big a long time ago (Man U, Barca, Liverpool, Real, etc.) don't like new money (City/PSG) and certainly don't want more new money. So now there's a FFP rule to keep you from breaking out of your spot in the hierarchy unless you're able to have a sustained level of success that leads to a natural growth in revenue. The problem is, if you have success and you aren't at the top of the food chain, you'll get ravaged by the big clubs during the transfer window. So it becomes a Catch 22 situation.

[Liverpooldawg]

For today ONLY I'm a Manchester United fan. This is probably the last realistic chance for City to drop points. I don't see it happening but maybe somebody will slip for City.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

City took down Spurs yesterday. Liverpool won today. My guess is they both win out and City wins by 1 point.

Y'all are going to drop points against Newcastle, I'm feeling it.

[Liverpooldawg]

It won't matter now. United 0 City 2. City have a cake walk the rest of the way, they won't drop any points in the last three. We will finish with the highest point total not to win the league ever.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

It won't matter now. United 0 City 2. City have a cake walk the rest of the way, they won't drop any points in the last three. We will finish with the highest point total not to win the league ever.

I think you?re right now that they don?t have Champions League. If Burnley didn?t just hit the 40 point mark in their last game I?d say they could at least give a scare. They?ve been good their last 5 games and they get them at home, but they?ll probably be a little less edge since they just hit the magic number.

[Liverpooldawg]

THIS is Liverpool.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/sto...verpool-rising

[Liverpooldawg]

Well, that was ugly. Messi is Messi and Barcelona are the best team in the world.

[Liverpooldawg]

The title race will go to the last day. I suspect City wins it by 1 pt.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

The title race will go to the last day. I suspect City wins it by 1 pt.

25' to go and sphincters are tight in the Etihad. Leicester has the players to be very dangerous on the counter if City gets too aggressive here

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Schmichael has made some fantastic saves

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Oh my god what a shot by Kompany. Nobody bothered to close him down, even after he almost shot from 8 yards further back.

[Liverpooldawg]

And that's it. No way Brighton gets a result against City.

[War Machine Dawg]

Helluva title race. Arsenal suck, but hopefully we can win the Europa Leage. European Trophy + Champions League spot next year = good season. Need serious squad overhaul in the fall, but I'm thinking we bring in 4, 5 players max. Probably 3 or 4 realistically.

[Liverpooldawg]

THAT was Anfield!!!!!!!!!!

Unfreaking REAL!

[Liverpooldawg]

Overturned 3-0 down to BARCA with no Salah and No Firmino. The European night of all time.

[Liverpooldawg]

So Spurs say hold my beer! UNREAL!

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

So Spurs say hold my beer! UNREAL!

I?ll never again complain about teams dribbling down into the corner to waste time. Ajax has 2-3 chances to do that in extra time and instead went for the dagger every time. The attack that lead to the winning goal for Spurs started with like 12 seconds left of the extra 5?.

[Liverpooldawg]

I?ll never again complain about teams dribbling down into the corner to waste time. Ajax has 2-3 chances to do that in extra time and instead went for the dagger every time. The attack that lead to the winning goal for Spurs started with like 12 seconds left of the extra 5?.

Yep. They are VERY young and it showed right there. IF they can hold that bunch together they are going to be frightening in a few years. They won't though. They don't have the funds to keep the really big names and the league is not that prestigious. The Big fish want to be fed more and swim in a bigger pond. The 18 year old Captain is already tipped to leave for Liverpool or Barca this summer.