Nick Weatherspoon

[mstatefan91]

I knew dozens of math and engineering majors who took Physics 2 and none of them cheated, at least not on the level of programming a cheat sheet into their calculator for an exam, which at the absolute most lenient would be an automatic F in the course, and probably an expulsion too.

I would assume every professor would make people clear the memory from their calculators just in case to prevent this kind of cheating, so it's not a very clever way to cheat anyway.

You would be very incorrect here.

[Dawg61]

Yeah, and I just got a personal comment telling me I'm terrible, I assume from 61. He can't ban me here. Funny, the board he DID ban me on on this site, I can post on now, which I do very infrequently. He can't. Blatant in your face cheating is demeaning to the university and to everyone that has a degree from it. We are a UNIVERSITY, an educational institution. We are not a minor league sports franchise.

No DA you got negative rep for once again pulling your usual Liverpool roundabout way of calling me and others a non-MSU fan. And for the seven billionth time I never banned you from the poli board dude. You went on an anti-muslim crusade in a thread you started and another mod banned you for it. Do you have memory loss problems?

[Liverpooldawg]

No DA you got negative rep for once again pulling your usual Liverpool roundabout way of calling me and others a non-MSU fan. And for the seven billionth time I never banned you from the poli board dude. You went on an anti-muslim crusade in a thread you started and another mod banned you for it. Do you have memory loss problems?

I haven't seen you in one of my threads there lately. Bring it over there if you want to get into that again. This isn't the correct board for it.

I know who got me banned that time. I don't and never did blame the guy who actually pulled the plug on me. I never had any reason to. I don't stand on technicalities.

[MagicDawg]

Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar.

I am happy to say that I did, and I'll welcome the opportunity to have you call me a liar to my face. [ETA: Calculus-based, physics major courses, no notes or examples stored in my calculator or anywhere else but my mind, Physics 1-3, astronomy, astrophysics, nuclear, modern, thermo, electronics, etc.]

I think a couple of people doth protest too much in defense of academic dishonesty. Also, we learned about "projection" in Carskadon's class.

Hail State!

[Schultzy]

Juxtapose Nick’s situation here vs. North Carolina faking an entire college within the University in order to keep their hoops team eligible throughout their careers.

No building, no professors in existence, faked the whole damn thing. So after nearly a decade of investigating this thing the NCAA says “welp, this is not an athletics issue and out of our purview.”

I don’t believe we should lower our standards to that but it really is a sad commentary on our society.

[Walkerhill]

I am happy to say that I did, and I'll welcome the opportunity to have you call me a liar to my face. [ETA: Calculus-based, physics major courses, no notes or examples stored in my calculator or anywhere else but my mind, Physics 1-3, astronomy, astrophysics, nuclear, modern, thermo, electronics, etc.]

I think a couple of people doth protest too much in defense of academic dishonesty. Also, we learned about "projection" in Carskadon's class.

Hail State!

Good call. The only reason on earth someone would try to put practicing on old tests to find representative questions and storing a digital cheat cheat on their calculator is feeling a little guilty about the second.

Lots of people pass hard college classes without cheating. Saying ‘everyone does it (or at least half do)’ or ‘it is not that different than what X or Y did’ is just rationalization.

And, come on, if the story about someone else taking Nicks test is true, a credible university cannot let that slide.

[Liverpooldawg]

I am happy to say that I did, and I'll welcome the opportunity to have you call me a liar to my face. [ETA: Calculus-based, physics major courses, no notes or examples stored in my calculator or anywhere else but my mind, Physics 1-3, astronomy, astrophysics, nuclear, modern, thermo, electronics, etc.]

I think a couple of people doth protest too much in defense of academic dishonesty. Also, we learned about "projection" in Carskadon's class.

Hail State!

Projection, yep.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Juxtapose Nick?s situation here vs. North Carolina faking an entire college within the University in order to keep their hoops team eligible throughout their careers.

No building, no professors in existence, faked the whole damn thing. So after nearly a decade of investigating this thing the NCAA says ?welp, this is not an athletics issue and out of our purview.?

I don?t believe we should lower our standards to that but it really is a sad commentary on our society.

That's not the way I remember it. I remember the NCAA taking UNC to court and the court ruling with UNC. I could be wrong though.

[Liverpooldawg]

The

That's not the way I remember it. I remember the NCAA taking UNC to court and the court ruling with UNC. I could be wrong though.

I seem to remember this as being what happened but I think it was UNC that took the NCAA to court. The court was the one that said it wasn't just being done for athletes. UNC should have lost its accreditation over that. I think they almost did.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

I've got skin. But you don't have to cheat to succeed. What the heck is wrong with working? Are you too much of a puss to put in the work? I don't remember who I had in physics 2, but I do know I didn't cheat. I guarantee that. I'm honestly amazed at the folks on this board who blow off cheating. Honestly amazed.

I remember who I had in Physics 2. It was someone who wasn't a professor and didn't have a PhD. He was likely by far the easiest Physics professor the University ever had. Everyone in our class wanted him for Physics 3, but I don't think he taught again. His name was Jack Nail. I would have run through a wall to have him in Physics 3, but it wasn't my luck. Instead I had Ferguson for Physics 3.

I made an A in Physics 2 and didn't cheat. There were many others in my class that did as well. Like I said, he was very easy.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

The sad narrative on this thread is those who think cheating is okay in order to obtain something, because "everybody does it". They want the easy way to take something they don't deserve. They don't want to put in the work to earn what they get. It's an entitlement culture.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

The

I seem to remember this as being what happened but I think it was UNC that took the NCAA to court. The court was the one that said it wasn't just being done for athletes. UNC should have lost its accreditation over that. I think they almost did.

You are correct. The NCAA did not just say "Meh" and forget about it though. THey tried to punish them, but got overruled by the court.

[Dawg61]

The sad narrative on this thread is those who think cheating is okay in order to obtain something, because "everybody does it". They want the easy way to take something they don't deserve. They don't want to put in the work to earn what they get. It's an entitlement culture.

Like paying 300k to get your spoiled brat into UPenn. The very rich have been entitled since money was invented.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Like paying 300k to get your spoiled brat into UPenn. The very rich have been entitled since money was invented.

Agreed. And I think that is wrong also. You don't see me defending the folks in this college scam do you? Because I assure you that I have not.

[Rayburn8]

Posted like the health department score at every restaurant yet how many patrons actually know the rating

Seeing as every single teacher goes over it abd makes it clear the punishment for cheating, ya they do.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Like paying 300k to get your spoiled brat into UPenn. The very rich have been entitled since money was invented.

I still don't know what is wrong with giving a donation to get your kid into a school you want. Admissions are in a grey area anyway. They can choose who to admit. There is not a clear cut minimum threshold for people. Hell Harvard or Penn State can admit someone that has a 16 on the ACT if they want.

[Dawg61]

I still don't know what is wrong with giving a donation to get your kid into a school you want.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it legally but you're taking a spot away from a potentially more qualified kid who probably worked harder but just doesn't come from a rich family. America shouldn't be about whose the richest parents being able to make their kids successful with their money. It should be about the most talented and hardest working kids making themselves successful on their own.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

No DA you got negative rep for once again pulling your usual Liverpool roundabout way of calling me and others a non-MSU fan. And for the seven billionth time I never banned you from the poli board dude. You went on an anti-muslim crusade in a thread you started and another mod banned you for it. Do you have memory loss problems?

Awesome! Dog61 and LiverDawg are going at it hammer and tongs. It is like a war broke out between North Korea and Iran and trying decide who to root for. The only way to make this any better is if you could only bring in misstake7

[Hambone]

So nothing concrete on Nick? Just some more of the “well I heard this and it’s concrete BUT I can’t say??”

[mstatefan91]

I don't think there's anything wrong with it legally but you're taking a spot away from a potentially more qualified kid who probably worked harder but just doesn't come from a rich family. America shouldn't be about whose the richest parents being able to make their kids successful with their money. It should be about the most talented and hardest working kids making themselves successful on their own.

Donation and bribe are two very different things