John Cohen, it's time for you to do your job

[CadaverDawg]

Nobody has poached Shoop. You know why? because he's the one we decided to pay top dollar to. We are following the strategy you say we should, we just don't have enough money to do it as well as you'd like

BS, Moorhead is making far less than Dan did for that very reason...to pay assistants. You're telling me all that SEC money and we can't bump Baker from 375k to 750k? C'mon. I get it that we don't have big money, but we have plenty to lock down our key cogs with IF we're strategic.

[Cooterpoot]

Nobody has poached Shoop. You know why? because he's the one we decided to pay top dollar to. We are following the strategy you say we should, we just don't have enough money to do it as well as you'd like

Not true. He’s still underpaid (based on performance) and isnt locked down either.

[CadaverDawg]

Not true. He’s still underpaid (based on performance) and isnt locked down either.

Exactly

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

BS, Moorhead is making far less than Dan did for that very reason...to pay assistants. You're telling me all that SEC money and we can't bump Baker from 375k to 750k? C'mon. I get it that we don't have big money, but we have plenty to lock down our key cogs with IF we're strategic.

Are you accusing Cohen of stockpiling money?

[dawgday166]

After this season and the early recruiting results....Shoop, Baker, and Johnson were the only ones deserving raises....and Baker would have gotten the biggest one if it were me. A school would have to highly overpay for those 3 to steal them if I were Cohen and Joe. Obviously you wouldn't have to raise Johnson as much as the others due to body of work being smaller...he's a little bit lesser known. But everyone agreed Baker was the biggest piece of our defensive puzzle. Should have overpaid the shit out of him

Not sure who everyone is but I think Shoop is the biggest piece of defensive puzzle. I think Baker is very good but our Dline and whole defense got better after Shoop installed "toughness tuesdays". And of all the position coaches Baker did have the most talent to work with. What happened with our backend D overall was at least as impressive and maybe even moreso, given the talent levels. And also think Shoop is the key straw in game strategies, which I also believe helped our defense.

I do think now Saban will have some insight into that but not sure it will matter that much. I guess we'll find out if Shoop is the key cog or not next year, although even with Baker staying I don't expect us to be as elite on D next year.

[maroonmania]

Nobody said pay them ALL Bama money....but the best ones you have to

Agreed, Huff had not proven himself AT MSU. Baker certainly had. We could have doubled Baker's salary had we felt it was important enough. Of course if Saban wants Baker bad enough he could always pay more than the most we could pay. Bama has an unlimited football budget.

[Doggie_Style]

We could have a wet paper bag coaching DL and be great. Saban is trying to disrupt this recruiting class because he is scared. The DL talent in Mississippi would make any coach look great. Just look at the nfl rosters.

This is about Saban trying to disrupt what he sees as his biggest threat in the West.

Yep...Moorhead is terrifying ***

[maroonmania]

Well I didn't think Marcus Johnson was that good but saban looked at him. How do you decide in advance who is saban worthy? Cause in all honesty, I thought Getsey was overpaid at his salary, but the packers didn't think so.

It is somewhat ironic that our coaching staff if getting looted in a year where our coaching staff, primarily on offense, did not perform well. Baker's group did, but how Huff, Getsy and Johnson would be attractive for other teams right now I don't get.

[CadaverDawg]

Agreed, Huff had not proven himself AT MSU. Baker certainly had. We could have doubled Baker's salary had we felt it was important enough. Of course if Saban wants Baker bad enough he could always pay more than the most we could pay. Bama has an unlimited football budget.

Exactly. If we were overpaying Baker for example by a little bit, that could encourage Saban to go to his next DL target whom he might consider equal to Baker. But if you have the #1 DL in the country and have a "Clearance" tag dangling from your DL coach, that makes getting poached a shit ton easier.

In other words...it's not about getting into a bidding war with Bama. It's about being strategic with the pay of your best guys in order to best deter poaching

[IMissJack]

BS, Moorhead is making far less than Dan did for that very reason...to pay assistants. You're telling me all that SEC money and we can't bump Baker from 375k to 750k? C'mon. I get it that we don't have big money, but we have plenty to lock down our key cogs with IF we're strategic.

Are donations down? Honest question. Because I really don't know anyone that was happy with how things went with Football since the KY game. FB pays the bills, and if fans aren't happy with that result, they generally don't open the wallet.

[CadaverDawg]

Are donations down? Honest question. Because I really don't know anyone that was happy with how things went with Football since the KY game. FB pays the bills, and if fans aren't happy with that result, they generally don't open the wallet.

True. I'm pretty sure they are down, especially as of late. (But I have no numbers to back that)

And to be honest, maybe that's the answer....if anybody complaining because they desire to see State win at a high level is getting told to quit bitching, maybe they should accept the same mediocrity that the sunshine brigade accepts and just close their wallets altogether.

[Jack Lambert]

And stop allowing our program to be the farm team of the real competitors every year. The buck stops with you whether fair or not. Open up the wallet and let some air in, brother

Sounds to me since Bama is having to replace so many coaches they are a farm team.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I don't know that paying coaches more money is a catch-all solution... Bammer pays their coaches a good bit more than most programs and it's coaching staff gets poached waaaaay more than anyone else's...

I would love to see the SEC step in and stop the intra-conference coachin' poachin'....

Bama's coaches move up when they move out. This is a lateral move as far as position and responsibility. Now working for Saban has a big bonus of being in his coaching tree. Also, beating Bama has a bigger plus side to it.

[Cooterpoot]

Sounds to me since Bama is having to replace so many coaches they are a farm team.

Half the guys they lost got better jobs. Other half were told to leave. Only exception was OC.

[Cooterpoot]

You 17rs justifying all this with “I can’t blame them it’s a better opportunity “ remember that shit when we can’t sign instate talent that Bama is taking. Because you’re basically telling those kids the same thing and we’re losing a guy that’s killing it instate. You guys keep accepting the whole, “know your place BS”.

[ShotgunDawg]

You 17rs justifying all this with “I can’t blame them it’s a better opportunity “ remember that shit when we can’t sign instate talent that Bama is taking. Because you’re basically telling those kids the same thing and we’re losing a guy that’s killing it instate. You guys keep accepting the whole, “know your place BS”.

Agree.

There are two groups of MSU fans, those that accept our place and those that don't. I don't accept it but, situations like this, are causing me to lose hope in even being capable changing our position.

How can you build anything with this happening?

[Jack Lambert]

Half the guys they lost got better jobs. Other half were told to leave. Only exception was OC.

That's the same for all schools.

[Jack Lambert]

Exactly

You were bitching this past summer about the shoop hire.

[Cooterpoot]

That's the same for all schools.

Neither of ours got promotions. Neither were told to leave.

[BrunswickDawg]

True. I'm pretty sure they are down, especially as of late. (But I have no numbers to back that)

And to be honest, maybe that's the answer....if anybody complaining because they desire to see State win at a high level is getting told to quit bitching, maybe they should accept the same mediocrity that the sunshine brigade accepts and just close their wallets altogether.

Actually, it's the exact opposite. Why can Clemson build themselves up? Because they gave, and gave some more. The schools that continue to build thru adversity and give more money instead of taking their money away are the ones who have succeeded. Every time things have gotten tough over the past 50 years, our fan base has started eating itself instead of pulling together and doing more. Every. Single. Time. And yet we wonder why we can't have nice things.