Now that Bama has offered Baker the job....

[Dawgowar]

Moorhead has done well on his RB and WR coach hires. I would think the DL coach would be similar. You know he's already had to have put calls out. We will make a good hire

Probably a stretch and totally "pie-in-the-sky" on my part but Coach Shoop MIGHT, just MIGHT know a name or two as well.

[yjnkdawg]

I know when we played Bama in Birmingham, Dave Marler, who was our starting quarterback, had to be shot uo with pain medicine prior to the kick-off, and could barely even walk, so he was in a shotgun formation. He was also our place kicker, and had injured himself in pregame warmups. I heard, while I was at the game, that the Bama defensive players were told to put him out of the game. There were also some very questionable calls against us too (imagine that). I couldn't stand Bama after that, for a while, and may be back in that mode. Now for a different reason.

[CadaverDawg]

One things for sure....we clearly had not only our best talent possibly ever in 2018, we also had an entire staff that Bama wanted. That makes the 8-5 finish sting even worse to me. What an awful last month we've had. It's been the most MSU month ever.

[yjnkdawg]

Is it for sure that he’s gone?

Not that I aware of, but the probability is definitely there, but it seems some are just speculating that he is leaving at this point in time.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Bo Davis please

Yes! Come on Cohen grow and pair! If Bracky gives resistance send his ass walking!

[bluelightstar]

One things for sure....we clearly had not only our best talent possibly ever in 2018, we also had an entire staff that Bama wanted. That makes the 8-5 finish sting even worse to me. What an awful last month we've had. It's been the most MSU month ever.

Right — All these great coaches and we finished 8-5. Yikes

[Dawg61]

Melting a little much here guys? We lost a close game to Iowa and an assistant coach coaching a position with 2 1st round draft picks starting. A bottle of Gatorade could coach Simmons & Sweat and look successful.

[yjnkdawg]

One things for sure....we clearly had not only our best talent possibly ever in 2018, we also had an entire staff that Bama wanted. That makes the 8-5 finish sting even worse to me. What an awful last month we've had. It's been the most MSU month ever.

Like I said in another thread, it is pure speculation that Mullen would have done that or this. Yeah, on paper, it sounds like he would have a better record, but it can't be proven I highly doubt we would have beaten OM, because his mind would probably have been on job shopping,as it was the prior year when they beat us at Davis Wade.

[basedog]

Stop the madness, raid you say, yes but assistants leave mostly for a better deal such as money, tradition and so many other reasons. If Baker goes, so be it as assistants come and go. Can't fault someone for thinking or wanting to improve themselves.

There are other defensive line coaches who are capable. Let this play out without crying so much.

[CadaverDawg]

Like I said in another thread, it is pure speculation that Mullen would have done that or this. Yeah, on paper, it sounds like he would have a better record, but it can't be proven I highly doubt we would have beaten OM, because his mind would probably have been on job shopping,as it was the prior year when they beat us at Davis Wade.

He would have done better.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Farewell...Shitbird!

[yjnkdawg]

Melting a little much here guys? We lost a close game to Iowa and an assistant coach coaching a position with 2 1st round draft picks starting. A bottle of Gatorade could coach Simmons & Sweat and look successful.

LOL 61, on this board some people's goal is to melt and make the rest of us miserable.

[CadaverDawg]

Stop the madness, raid you say, yes but assistants leave mostly for a better deal such as money, tradition and so many other reasons. If Baker goes, so be it as assistants come and go. Can't fault someone for thinking or wanting to improve themselves.

There are other defensive line coaches who are capable. Let this play out without crying so much.

Sorry. Here...

[MetEdDawg]

I'm shocked more of our fan base isn't more concerned over the staff we are losing. I get who we are losing folks to. But if you are making a good chunk of money, the big boys and the NFL have less pull.

We got to start getting more money into football. Absolutely have to.

[Cooterpoot]

We’ve gone from “We will never lose a coach due to money” to losing our top assistant coaches at signing day and going cheap on coach pay. It starts at the top.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm shocked more of our fan base isn't more concerned over the staff we are losing. I get who we are losing folks to. But if you are making a good chunk of money, the big boys and the NFL have less pull.

We got to start getting more money into football. Absolutely have to.

Yep. We are stepping stone U, now. We can only hit on these good one year assistants every year for so long before we land a few stinkers. And unfortunately a few stinkers will set us back 5 years or more

[CadaverDawg]

We’ve gone from “We will never lose a coach due to money” to losing our top assistant coaches at signing day and going cheap on coach pay. It starts at the top.

Yep. Never dreamed Cohen would be cheaper than loafers, but he is.

[dawgday166]

Melting a little much here guys? We lost a close game to Iowa and an assistant coach coaching a position with 2 1st round draft picks starting. A bottle of Gatorade could coach Simmons & Sweat and look successful.

It's not just the coach, it's also the timing/recruits aspect of it too.

However, the coach is the larger percentage of it due to coaching continuity. Two chances we have of being real competitive are coaching continuity and player development (which means excellent recruit evaluation, redshirting, rosters filled with mostly upperclassmen each year and no holes in the roster). Defensive coaching continuity isn't as significant as offensive coaching continuity tho. And defensive position coaches are usually easier to replace too. But Baker was a good one.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

LOL 61, on this board some people's goal is to melt and make the rest of us miserable.

Melting...I think a better use of words would be Fed up. Fed up with being the SEC whipping post and never able to build anything because every step we take, we have to take two steps back. If you want sunshine pumping, looking for silver linings in piles of shit go on over and become a member of Genespage.

[MetEdDawg]

Yep. We are stepping stone U, now. We can only hit on these good one year assistants every year for so long before we land a few stinkers. And unfortunately a few stinkers will set us back 5 years or more

We need about 3-4 million more per year for non head coach staff salaries. Need to be able to give the coordinators on average at least 500K more than they currently do per year. As a baseline I mean, not incentive for this past year. Then we need to increase on field staff by around 200K per year. Throw 50-100K more for quality control and off field staff and you get around $4 million.

And again, that's baseline. Starting salary. Not incentive for performance.