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[DawgFromOxford]

Just keep justifying it.

It's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed that all these kids think they are better than where I'm from.

The NFL is showing that MSU will get you there and prepare you.

These kids leaving is nothing but an insult to every Mississippian

Oh here we go again. Based on your opinions I'm going to assume you have never lived anywhere but Mississippi and only have a degree(s) from Mississippi State. So I would like to know, have you ever lived outside of MS or have degrees from any other university? Do you have kids that live outside of MS or have non MSU degrees? Because if you have lived anywhere or have a degree from anywhere else or even have kids that took a different path, then I don't want to read another message from you berating kids for choosing somewhere other than here.

I've lived in this state my whole life. I have a MSU degree that I am proud, but guess what? I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY 18 YEAR OLD KIDS WANT TO LEAVE THIS PLACE. Do I wish they would stay in the state? Absolutely. Do I wish they would play for MSU? You bet I do. The fact is, this state doesn't offer much to kids growing up when compared to other places, so when you are 18, it's a lot easier to look at greener pastures than to realize just how wonderful this place can be. So yes, please berate a kid for wanting something more than another 4 years in Mississippi. Please berate a kid for wanting to go to a new place where he can start over. A place where he isn't surrounded by people he went to high school with. Please berate a kid for choosing a college town that has more to offer than Starkville. Please berate a kid for choosing a school that he thinks is his best route to the NFL. Please berate a kid for choosing a school where he aligns with the coach's vision. I wish they would all stay and play here, but you can't win them all. Promoting Mississippi State is possible without berating kids for their decisions. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the more you berate kids for leaving, the less likely you are to recruit kids to MSU in the future. The fact that you won't acknowledge why kids would want to go somewhere else is astounding.

Since you are clearly so much more passionate than the rest of us weak minded fans, I want to know what your solution is to fix this problem of recruited athletes leaving the state. Is it new coaches? Better facilities? Aim hostility at an 18 year old? Put pressure on his family? Pay him more than the next school? I think everyone on this board would love to be enlightened by your answer.

[ShotgunDawg]

Based on your opinions I'm going to assume you have never lived anywhere but Mississippi WRONG and only have a degree(s) from Mississippi State WRONG. So I would like to know, have you ever lived outside of MS or have degrees from any other university? YES Do you have kids that live outside of MS or have non MSU degrees? YES Because if you have lived anywhere or have a degree from anywhere else or even have kids that took a different path, then I don't want to read another message from you berating kids for choosing somewhere other than here.
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To your surprise, I'm actually the complete opposite of what you'd expect.

I've actually lived all over the country & have degrees from multiple universities.

All that had let me to actually realize how great our university is & how the pastures really aren't greener on the other side of fence. It's the belief that is & me having the knowledge of experience that it really isn't that frustrates me.

I think the solution to fixing MSU's instate recruiting problem is for kids to respect & grow up wanting to be bulldogs & to have people around them that frequently talk well of the place & the football culture we've built.

The solution is future recruits growing up with posters of Dak, Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, Darius Slay, etc on their wall & wanting to take the same path as them.

The narrative that Mississippi people feeling that others pastures are greener needs to die. In so many ways beyond football, the state cannot move forward until that happens.

[DawgFromOxford]

To your surprise, I'm actually the complete opposite of what you'd expect.

I've actually lived all over the country & have degrees from multiple universities.

All that had let me to actually realize how great our university is & how the pastures really aren't greener on the other side of fence. It's the belief that is & me having the knowledge of experience that it really isn't that frustrates me.

I think the solution to fixing MSU's instate recruiting problem is for kids to respect & grow up wanting to be bulldogs & to have people around them that frequently talk well of the place & the football culture we've built.

The solution is future recruits growing up with posters of Dak, Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, Darius Slay, etc on their wall & wanting to take the same path as them.

The narrative that Mississippi people feeling that others pastures are greener needs to die. In so many ways beyond football, the state cannot move forward until that happens.

Exactly. You had to go experience other things in order for you to appreciate MS. Why can't you understand that other kids must do the same? It's one thing for someone to tell you how great a place this is, but if you have nothing to compare it to for yourself then how will you ever really know?

I agree with you that kids should want to grow up being bulldogs, and that happens because people talk highly of the football culture we've built or because kids have posters of Dak and Chris Jones. Both of those are long term plays though. In 10 years you would expect that kind of stuff to pay off more when kids grow up with it their whole life. Until 2015ish, there hasn't been much of that for us to hang our hat on when it comes to NFL success. Yes there have been players here or there, but never so many performing highly and at the same time. Never a MSU player leading America's Team. The kids making college choices this year and years past haven't had that their whole life, so they've grown up watching what other schools produce consistently. I believe MSU is starting to challenge that perception by consistently putting players in the NFL, but once again that takes time to build that reputation.

The greener pastures narrative isn't going to go away until the state produces its own green pastures. If you like a cheap cost of living, a slower lifestyle, and a more hospitable lifestyle, then sure Mississippi is great. That's not exactly what younger generations as a whole are looking for though.

[ShotgunDawg]

Exactly. .

Exactly?

Did I completely mis-read what you wrote earlier when you thought I was someone completely opposite of who I am or are you just changing your narrative to fit your agenda?

Sheesh people, we are MSU fans right? Right?

We want Mississippi kids to stay in Mississippi right? Right?

We are willing to do what it morally takes for that to happen right? right?

What am I missing here?

I completely understand why kids are leaving Mississippi. I get it & understand it more than you'll ever know. It makes me sick to stomach though & I don't accept it & believe that WE as an MSU fan base & alumni, need to do everything ethically possible to make sure these kids stop leaving the state.

I'm not here to recruit for Bama, UGA, LSU or anyone else. I'm hear to promote MSU & to sell MSU as being the best place in the planet to develop as a college football player.

I'm just not sure what your agenda is when you sell other schools & other states. I don't get it or the reason why you choose to share that on an MSU message board.

Some of you are just walk-overs. Good gracious

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

How do you get kids to stay in-state? Better coaches.

Coaching has way more to do with it than anything we can do as fans.

Please explain how us getting upset will force these kids to stay in-state?

Coaching will keep them in state?

[Percho]

Gun we get what you are saying. It's really not as enlightening as you think. But just saying it doesn't make a 17. You act like certain fans are to blame but realistically you don't know what it takes to fix it either. Then accuse other fans of blaming play calling, etc. being the problem? Little hypocritical don't you think?

Until we prove ourselves they will go for greener pastures.

And don't tell me the grass is always greener on the other side. Yes, the grass is greener at the likes of Bama and UGA... you know, playing for championships and all. I have a high standard but I'm not so thick I can't see how it would be fun to be a part of a team that consistently packs their bags for the post season. You realize talent often develops from being surrounded by...wouldn't you know, more talent? If you want to point to Lashley at Bama as an example, maybe he doesn't have the drive or persistence to compete with the legit players. Doubtful he would make it in the NFL even if he was playing for us if that is the case.

Seasons like MSU's this year are a prime example of why they don't stay in state. See 2014 season also. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Same ole season as ever. Until we actually take the next step (consistently) and change the kids perspective of what we actually do have (no fans here are doubting what we are capable of), they will continue to look at the stars and dream and see themselves there. I guess be upset with the teams we have fielded and choked with rather than the players who aren't even ours yet. Our pedigree isn't as lustrous no matter how many ways you try to say it is. Unfortunately, and I hate it just as much as you, those teams listed can always one up MSU with something else. Putting players in the NFL just doesn't cut it. Until you can finish an entire season and not have one game where you think "typical Mississippi State" at the end. I doubt that perspective will change.

Hell yeah, putting DL's and LB's in the league helps but we don't even sniff what Bama and UGA or LSU or AU even accomplishes there. So what, we've put some legit players in since 2014? Ha...ok. That should just be expected honestly. That's a good start but not even a drop in the bucket. Also, almost every one of those guys were beasts from the get go and would likely be in the exact same situation they are in now if they had gone to a blue blood.

Quit acting like you have some solution or it's easy to convince some 18 y.o. kid with big dreams (I didn't say always realistic dreams) to make the decision that you want him or her to make. Even if that is what is truly best for them. It's just not the way free will works.

Methinks what gun is saying is we need our state 4 and 5 star guys to stay with us in order to have a better chance of proving ourselves. So we can sniff pitting as many in the NFL as the bama's and ga's.

WE need the Young's and the Dean's and the Turnage's and the best we can get from other states.


And even with that we would still need; If the ball is on the ground, the whistle isn't blown early and for it to be looked at in review and idiots not to see ghost blocks in the back ad ghost PI.

Life is tough.

[msstate7]

If turnage, young, hall, and handy all flip to OM tomorrow would it be better for us? Would they still be traitors?

[msstate7]

Our basketball (men and women) and baseball teams are full of kids that left their home states. Our football program may benefit greatly from this public shaming movement, but they would suffer.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

If turnage, young, hall, and handy all flip to OM tomorrow would it be better for us? Would they still be traitors?

No, they would be dumbassses.

[msstate7]

No, they would be dumbassses.

Well we've gotta be careful with our leaving the state shaming campaign bc we aren't the only Sec team in state

[DawgFromOxford]

Exactly?

Did I completely mis-read what you wrote earlier when you thought I was someone completely opposite of who I am or are you just changing your narrative to fit your agenda?

Sheesh people, we are MSU fans right? Right?

We want Mississippi kids to stay in Mississippi right? Right?

We are willing to do what it morally takes for that to happen right? right?

What am I missing here?

I completely understand why kids are leaving Mississippi. I get it & understand it more than you'll ever know. It makes me sick to stomach though & I don't accept it & believe that WE as an MSU fan base & alumni, need to do everything ethically possible to make sure these kids stop leaving the state.

I'm not here to recruit for Bama, UGA, LSU or anyone else. I'm hear to promote MSU & to sell MSU as being the best place in the planet to develop as a college football player.

I'm just not sure what your agenda is when you sell other schools & other states. I don't get it or the reason why you choose to share that on an MSU message board.

Some of you are just walk-overs. Good gracious

Ok, "exactly" may have been poor word choice, but if you read the whole comment it made sense. No one is changing their narrative.

I think we all want whats best for MSU. My agenda is not to push other other schools or states, but I'm also going to be honest on where we are at and what we are up against.

If you want to be mad at someone, then be mad at the leaders of the state for not offering more exciting opportunities for younger generations. Be mad at past Starkville governments for holding Starkville back from what it could've been as a college town. Be mad at previous MSU athletic departments for not facilitating a history of success when it comes to football.

Am I happy kids are leaving the state? Not at all. Is it frustrating? 100%. But what I'm not about to do is shame a kid or his family for not choosing to stay here if they think they have better opportunities elsewhere. That's on us as a state and as a college for not convincing them that their best opportunity is here.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Well we've gotta be careful with our leaving the state shaming campaign bc we aren't the only Sec team in state

Sorry, I don't buy one person on a message board with a bad explanation having a determining factor on where kids go to school.

Seems if they're flashy, they're going out of state or to ole miss. While we may have the results and develop players, we're still seen by prospects as somewhat dull and we have a more strict culture. That appeals to some, but not others.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Ok, "exactly" may have been poor word choice, but if you read the whole comment it made sense. No one is changing their narrative.

I think we all want whats best for MSU. My agenda is not to push other other schools or states, but I'm also going to be honest on where we are at and what we are up against.

If you want to be mad at someone, then be mad at the leaders of the state for not offering more exciting opportunities for younger generations. Be mad at past Starkville governments for holding Starkville back from what it could've been as a college town. Be mad at previous MSU athletic departments for not facilitating a history of success when it comes to football.

Am I happy kids are leaving the state? Not at all. Is it frustrating? 100%. But what I'm not about to do is shame a kid or his family for not choosing to stay here if they think they have better opportunities elsewhere. That's on us as a state and as a college for not convincing them that their best opportunity is here.

Half of the SEC schools built their programs on the back of ours. Whether it was playing bama in Alabama 10 straight years or not playing an on campus home game until the 1980's, we and the SEC shot ourselves/us in the foot and got behind the curve.

[smootness]

Coaching will keep them in state?

Coaches who recruit well, yes.

[chef dixon]

We have a good chunk of the instate talent already. It?s not realistic to expect to get every single one, especially with another in state SEC school.

And just because we ?stomp our feet and will not stand for it!!!!!!!? as some are suggesting is not going to change an 18 year olds mind.

[ShotgunDawg]

If you want to be mad at someone, then be mad at the leaders of the state for not offering more exciting opportunities for younger generations. Be mad at past Starkville governments for holding Starkville back from what it could've been as a college town. Be mad at previous MSU athletic departments for not facilitating a history of success when it comes to football.

Agree. We've talked a lot about how crappy Mississippi's politicians have been in the past. Many things in our state are named after these people while they were nothing but a detriment

Am I happy kids are leaving the state? Not at all. Is it frustrating? 100%. But what I'm not about to do is shame a kid or his family for not choosing to stay here if they think they have better opportunities elsewhere. That's on us as a state and as a college for not convincing them that their best opportunity is here.

But I don't believe they have better opportunities elsewhere. This entire thread was started because MSU producing many of the best players in the NFL. That would mean that MSU is super green grass & then you throw in the idea of what a championship team could do for the state of Mississippi & it just becomes extremely frustrating that these kids feel the need to leave the state. I Believe they are getting advice & are falling for reasons that should be irrelevant.

[ShotgunDawg]

Half of the SEC schools built their programs on the back of ours. Whether it was playing bama in Alabama 10 straight years or not playing an on campus home game until the 1980's, we and the SEC shot ourselves/us in the foot and got behind the curve.

Agree completely.

Playing AT Bama 10 years in a row
Playing AT LSU for about 35 out of 40 years in a row
Playing Ole Miss in Jackson

MSU has never had a chance since 1990 & now we are producing NFL at an exceptional level. It's just so frustrating that there are still pockets of our state that don't get it. They don't get how they are hurting their home state by leaving. They don't get what a difference they could make if they stayed.

[ShotgunDawg]

We have a good chunk of the instate talent already. It?s not realistic to expect to get every single one, especially with another in state SEC school.

And just because we ?stomp our feet and will not stand for it!!!!!!!? as some are suggesting is not going to change an 18 year olds mind.

This is not good. The Charles Cross commitment was huge

[msstate7]

7 of the top 20 players in the country are leaving their home state. Georgia is losing 4 5-stars (maybe more) to OOS schools. Alabama and auburn lost the top rated player in Alabama

[ShotgunDawg]

7 of the top 20 players in the country are leaving their home state. Georgia is losing 4 5-stars (maybe more) to OOS schools. Alabama and auburn lost the top rated player in Alabama

Well they're sure making up for it by taking Mississippi kids