#16 in CFP poll

[TUSK]

Because I’ve been watch a lot of average teams this year. The top 4 will be the weakest ever. We missed a huge opportunity.

This is correct... CFB is a stratified pile of 'meh'...

[RocketDawg]

How high will we rise WHEN we beat Bama

We'd be the first 3-loss team to ever be in the playoffs. Either that, or they'd just cancel the playoffs because they were so shocked that Bama lost.

[cheewgumm]

Man who started this ?I said so? narrative.

First Todd, now Brunswick. Did someone send out a memo?

[BrunswickDawg]

Interesting comments from the CFP chairman:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/brett_hudson/status/1060014794676281344?s=21[/tweet]

[mparkerfd20]

We'll either be 9 or 23 next week.

[HoopsDawg]

This is correct... CFB is a stratified pile of 'meh'...

It's Bama-Clemson then everyone else and even Clemson barely beat A&M. I personally think Notre Dame is weak. Vandy blew that game.

[Homedawg]

It's Bama-Clemson then everyone else and even Clemson barely beat A&M. I personally think Notre Dame is weak. Vandy blew that game.

Agree. Nd isn't good. Whoever plays them first round gonna roll

[msstate7]

It's Bama-Clemson then everyone else and even Clemson barely beat A&M. I personally think Notre Dame is weak. Vandy blew that game.

Clemson has got much better since then by making the move at qb. Defense is living up to potential now too

[HoopsDawg]

Clemson has got much better since then by making the move at qb. Defense is living up to potential now too

I think I agree but the ACC is so bad it's hard to know for sure. I do like Lawrence though.

[Todd4State]

And for the "teams that beat us suck" crowd:
UF #15
KY #11
LSU #7

Interesting that the polls still think they are strong teams....

No we lost because Joe Moorhead wouldn't run Dan Mullen's offense that he doesn't know and we beat those teams last year because we all know teams don't change in an offseason.**

[Todd4State]

Man who started this ?I said so? narrative.

First Todd, now Brunswick. Did someone send out a memo?

The fact of the matter is there is a LOT more evidence out there that supports Brunswick and my opinion than yours or anyone else that thinks that we should have unquestionably beat those teams.

I also find it ironic that we have so many fans pissed off at Joe for essentially doing the same thing that Dan did- and many of those same fans gave Dan a complete pass for doing the same thing.

[msstate7]

No we lost because Joe Moorhead wouldn't run Dan Mullen's offense that he doesn't know and we beat those teams last year because we all know teams don't change in an offseason.**

Moorhead's offense scored 7, 6, and 3 in those games. We are tied with vandy for the lowest scoring output vs Kentucky. We are tied with Charleston southern for the lowest scoring output vs Florida. We only outscored se la against LSU. Why you wanna polish these turd performances, I have no idea. They were awful, and quite frankly, indefensible. Moorhead has since turned in a really solid effort vs aTm. I wanna build on that, but make no mistake, we blew a huge opportunity this year

[Todd4State]

Moorhead's offense scored 7, 6, and 3 in those games. We are tied with vandy for the lowest scoring output vs Kentucky. We are tied with Charleston southern for the lowest scoring output vs Florida. We only outscored se la against LSU. Why you wanna polish these turd performances, I have no idea. They were awful, and quite frankly, indefensible. Moorhead has since turned in a really solid effort vs aTm. I wanna build on that, but make no mistake, we blew a huge opportunity this year

No one is saying that they were "good" performances. However, trying to say that UK, LSU, and Florida are "bad" is just flat out wrong. We had solid outings against Auburn as well as A&M. We also blew out everyone we have played OOC when we typically have a game that is much closer than it should be.

As far as the "huge opportunity"- we blew that three years ago when we didn't recruit any WR's and were only signing three o-linemen a year resulting in us having to start two sophomores at tackle this year. There were always questions about the WR's in the offseason and we all heard about how it takes 5-6 games to get Joe's offense down. Here we are after game nine and have had probably our two best offensive performances to date. There was hope that we could have a special season- but there is no way to know how it is going to turn out until the games are actually played.

I think people like you are completely missing the big picture here. Joe has a good offense and it seems to be coming together now. We're still recruiting well on the defensive side of the ball- by 2021 we will probably be starting at least four UA AA's on that side of the ball alone when they are juniors. We're also going to improve at WR when Heath (Heath and us got screwed by JPS BIG time) and Patterson are here plus Joe is bringing in a legit four star QB in Shrader that will start for us and be very good and also fits his offense. But let's bitch about how we're never going to have an "opportunity" like this again for years to come during a year where we are making a complete coaching transition. I'm sure Georgia fans aren't bitching about Kirby Smart now after he had an 8-5 year himself in year one including a three TD loss to an Ole Miss team that WE beat by 5 TD's in Oxford.

[BrunswickDawg]

No one is saying that they were "good" performances. However, trying to say that UK, LSU, and Florida are "bad" is just flat out wrong. We had solid outings against Auburn as well as A&M. We also blew out everyone we have played OOC when we typically have a game that is much closer than it should be.

As far as the "huge opportunity"- we blew that three years ago when we didn't recruit any WR's and were only signing three o-linemen a year resulting in us having to start two sophomores at tackle this year. There were always questions about the WR's in the offseason and we all heard about how it takes 5-6 games to get Joe's offense down. Here we are after game nine and have had probably our two best offensive performances to date. There was hope that we could have a special season- but there is no way to know how it is going to turn out until the games are actually played.

I think people like you are completely missing the big picture here. Joe has a good offense and it seems to be coming together now. We're still recruiting well on the defensive side of the ball- by 2021 we will probably be starting at least four UA AA's on that side of the ball alone when they are juniors. We're also going to improve at WR when Heath (Heath and us got screwed by JPS BIG time) and Patterson are here plus Joe is bringing in a legit four star QB in Shrader that will start for us and be very good and also fits his offense. But let's bitch about how we're never going to have an "opportunity" like this again for years to come during a year where we are making a complete coaching transition. I'm sure Georgia fans aren't bitching about Kirby Smart now after he had an 8-5 year himself in year one including a three TD loss to an Ole Miss team that WE beat by 5 TD's in Oxford.

He's also missing the big picture that the SEC - despite all the teams who beat us being "trash" and the teams we beat being "paper tigers" - is hands down recognized as the most difficult league with the most talent. And that talent spreads pretty deep throughout the league. Any one of Bama, UGA, LSU, KY, UF, MSU, Auburn, or A&M would be at worst a 1 loss team in any other conference in the country right now. And the CFP committee realizes that.

What that depth of talent leads to is that right now - outside of Bama - on any given Saturday, any SEC team can lose in conference play. It's why LSU can look like "trash" against UF (and to a degree against MSU) and then blow the doors off of UGA. It's why you can't walk into Lexington and just think you are going to win because you beat Kentucky by 30 last year. It's why I wouldn't be shocked at all to see LSU lose to Arkansas this weekend, or see Ole Miss beat A&M this weekend and then lose to Vandy the next.

And, yes, I'm disappointed that we lost those 3 games that were winnable games. I'm disappointed that we got caught in transition year unexpectedly. I'm disappointed that the known deficiencies that we have (QB consistency, OL pass blocking, WR talent) had to take a step back in learning an entirely new system, instead of being able to progress in a system they knew.

But, the fact that after all of this the people who define football respect in this country through their poll still have us at #16 helps me understand that we have climbed a huge, HUGE, hurdle in public perception about where MSU is as a program and where we are in the pecking order of the SEC. Has there ever been a 3 loss MSU team given this much respect at this point in the season? Have we ever been able to say "after we take that 4th loss at Bama we will probably still be ranked"? No. Even with out best player in history, they dropped us like a bad habit after 2 losses and wrote us off as "same old MSU". We take care of business the rest of this season, and we will be set up to begin to take the next step.

[msstate7]

He's also missing the big picture that the SEC - despite all the teams who beat us being "trash" and the teams we beat being "paper tigers" - is hands down recognized as the most difficult league with the most talent. And that talent spreads pretty deep throughout the league. Any one of Bama, UGA, LSU, KY, UF, MSU, Auburn, or A&M would be at worst a 1 loss team in any other conference in the country right now. And the CFP committee realizes that.

What that depth of talent leads to is that right now - outside of Bama - on any given Saturday, any SEC team can lose in conference play. It's why LSU can look like "trash" against UF (and to a degree against MSU) and then blow the doors off of UGA. It's why you can't walk into Lexington and just think you are going to win because you beat Kentucky by 30 last year. It's why I wouldn't be shocked at all to see LSU lose to Arkansas this weekend, or see Ole Miss beat A&M this weekend and then lose to Vandy the next.

And, yes, I'm disappointed that we lost those 3 games that were winnable games. I'm disappointed that we got caught in transition year unexpectedly. I'm disappointed that the known deficiencies that we have (QB consistency, OL pass blocking, WR talent) had to take a step back in learning an entirely new system, instead of being able to progress in a system they knew.

But, the fact that after all of this the people who define football respect in this country through their poll still have us at #16 helps me understand that we have climbed a huge, HUGE, hurdle in public perception about where MSU is as a program and where we are in the pecking order of the SEC. Has there ever been a 3 loss MSU team given this much respect at this point in the season? Have we ever been able to say "after we take that 4th loss at Bama we will probably still be ranked"? No. Even with out best player in history, they dropped us like a bad habit after 2 losses and wrote us off as "same old MSU". We take care of business the rest of this season, and we will be set up to begin to take the next step.

That's just it... we aren't set up to take a step forward next season. We aren't just gonna plug and play for guys like sweat and Simmons. Our defense will take a big step back. Apparently key is not gonna be the answer, which is why we're pursuing Bryant (nothing special at all). I do think we will be better at wr. If you don't like our oline this year, wait till you take Calhoun and Jenkins out, and God forbid, Williams leaves.

Then you look at the rest of the west. LSU will be better. Bama is bama. Auburn will be back. aTm is gonna take a monster step forward. Playing for 5th place next season. This was the year to play in a NY6

[basedog]

That's just it... we aren't set up to take a step forward next season. We aren't just gonna plug and play for guys like sweat and Simmons. Our defense will take a big step back. Apparently key is not gonna be the answer, which is why we're pursuing Bryant (nothing special at all). I do think we will be better at wr. If you don't like our oline this year, wait till you take Calhoun and Jenkins out, and God forbid, Williams leaves.

Then you look at the rest of the west. LSU will be better. Bama is bama. Auburn will be back. aTm is gonna take a monster step forward. Playing for 5th place next season. This was the year to play in a NY6

Maybe, maybe not. You predicted the future is just wrong with a new coach. Time will tell as Joe and his staff may be much better next year.

[Johnson85]

The fact of the matter is there is a LOT more evidence out there that supports Brunswick and my opinion than yours or anyone else that thinks that we should have unquestionably beat those teams.

I also find it ironic that we have so many fans pissed off at Joe for essentially doing the same thing that Dan did- and many of those same fans gave Dan a complete pass for doing the same thing.

Dan never did anything like this year. We were more talented than 10 teams on our schedule and we as talented as an 11th.

Had we had "normal" growing pains, we'd be ten win team this year just because our schedule set up so perfectly. Instead we shit the bed. Even if it was more do to the shortcomings of our players rather than their coaching, it was still a failure on their part to not get a more simplified plan in place, which is all that would have been necessary to beat UK or UF.

That said, it's past and no sense in not enjoying a still pretty good season. And the bedshitting doesn't mean Moorhead won't be good long term. But there's also no sense in pretending it wasn't a bedshitting. We shit the bed in a season where the stars were aligned for us (other than the coaching change) in a way that they probably won't be again until after Saban is gone. It is what it is.

[msstate7]

Maybe, maybe not. You predicted the future is just wrong with a new coach. Time will tell as Joe and his staff may be much better next year.

Well I was wrong once this year, so who knows haha

[Johnson85]

He's also missing the big picture that the SEC - despite all the teams who beat us being "trash" and the teams we beat being "paper tigers" - is hands down recognized as the most difficult league with the most talent. And that talent spreads pretty deep throughout the league. Any one of Bama, UGA, LSU, KY, UF, MSU, Auburn, or A&M would be at worst a 1 loss team in any other conference in the country right now. And the CFP committee realizes that.

What that depth of talent leads to is that right now - outside of Bama - on any given Saturday, any SEC team can lose in conference play. It's why LSU can look like "trash" against UF (and to a degree against MSU) and then blow the doors off of UGA. It's why you can't walk into Lexington and just think you are going to win because you beat Kentucky by 30 last year. It's why I wouldn't be shocked at all to see LSU lose to Arkansas this weekend, or see Ole Miss beat A&M this weekend and then lose to Vandy the next.

That is exactly what makes the bedshitting so bad. We are in the most difficult conference in teh nation and there will rarely be a time where the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teams we play aren't a good bit better than the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teams we played this year. And it will be even rarer that it happens when we are at the peak of a cycle talent wise.

[BigEasyDawg]

Like a rocket... won't happen though

Speaking of which....How about those Rockets!?