Let me sum up all the football threads into one...

[Homedawg]

2010 - Gator Bowl (Round 1) - great bowl considering we hadn't been in a while
2011 - Music City Bowl - sense of the program building
2012 - Gator Bowl (Round 2) - program somewhat becoming stagnat
2013 - Liberty Bowl - regression
2014 - Orange Bowl - best bowl game in Mullen's tenure and we got our asses handed to us.
2015 - Belk Bowl - regression
2016 - St. Pete Bowl - regression
2017 - Gator Bowl (Round 3) (now TaxSlayer) - regression

If Moorhead doesn't get us to a bowl game this year, then I agree he's on a short leash.

Remind me again though, what about the list I just provided shows a marked improvement year over year? I see a lot of ups and downs.

Moorhead may not be the guy, but Mullen damn sure wasn't going to take us anywhere he hadn't already. He had reached his potential here.

Look at the previous 10 years prior to him and get back to me.....

[Homedawg]

2010 - Gator Bowl (Round 1) - great bowl considering we hadn't been in a while
2011 - Music City Bowl - sense of the program building
2012 - Gator Bowl (Round 2) - program somewhat becoming stagnat
2013 - Liberty Bowl - regression
2014 - Orange Bowl - best bowl game in Mullen's tenure and we got our asses handed to us.
2015 - Belk Bowl - regression
2016 - St. Pete Bowl - regression
2017 - Gator Bowl (Round 3) (now TaxSlayer) - regression

If Moorhead doesn't get us to a bowl game this year, then I agree he's on a short leash.

Remind me again though, what about the list I just provided shows a marked improvement year over year? I see a lot of ups and downs.

Moorhead may not be the guy, but Mullen damn sure wasn't going to take us anywhere he hadn't already. He had reached his potential here.

If you are looking for marked improvement year over year then that means National championship. That's never happening. You need to go follow Bama. Then get pissed when you don't win it but 3 out of 5 years. Fantasy land.

[Pollodawg]

Didn't realize going to some bowl game was such a big deal, hell, there's half a hundred to go to. Don't give me that crap about being number one either. Do other schools talk about that like it's some big accomplishment. Even that season ended in failure. Mullen raised the floor, but only one a couple of big games and got his ass handed to him by ole miss when it mattered. I for one, am glad he's gone.

If you don?t think what Mullen did here was special, you?re a moron. Remember all those winning seasons and bowls before he got here? We?ve been garbage 95% of our history. He and Jackie were oasises in a Sahara of bad football. Get the 17 outta here with that shit.

[Pollodawg]

Get outta your feelings. Mullen is a great coach. He ain’t here anymore, and that sucks, but he is a great head coach. Demanding more than he gave and bad mouthing him—given our history—makes you look like a jealous, petty **** cake.

[dawgs]

Yea, playing against those brutal church league defenses has got him ready for the SEC***....Joe starts him at his own peril!

Freshmen QBs start every single season all over the country, including the sec, and have plenty of success. If he picks up the offense and is the best passer of the group, then you start him and let him take some lumps along the way. Would much rather do that than start a repeat of fitz (if that's what key and mayden are). If we start key or mayden because shrader has never played against a sec defense, even if he's the best passer and grasps the offense, then Moorhead may not see 2020. At least if schrader shows something resembling the offense Moorhead ran at penn st, fans will start getting back on board. If we put guys out there who can't throw and we repeat the 2018 MSU offense, Moorhead will be back at Fordham before schrader touches the field.

[dawgs]

Yep, as the girl said to Saban in the tv bank commercial. You are probably right. However, on this site, some posters are always going to be bitching or griping about something. If DM was here, So why don't we open up our offense, etc. Wash, rinse, repeat.

It's fair to criticize Mullen and not consider him a shitty coach. It's fair to get tired of him chasing after literally any and every P5 gig for the majority of his time at MSU too. I mean Maryland? Minnesota? Come on, gtfo with that shit. I get it if Florida comes calling or even Miami, but we are talking bottom tier big 10 schools he was flirting with that don't have a fanbase that gives a shit about college football.

[msstate7]

It's fair to criticize Mullen and not consider him a shitty coach. It's fair to get tired of him chasing after literally any and every P5 gig for the majority of his time at MSU too. I mean Maryland? Minnesota? Come on, gtfo with that shit. I get it if Florida comes calling or even Miami, but we are talking bottom tier big 10 schools he was flirting with that don't have a fanbase that gives a shit about college football.

We've solved that problem. Moorhead won't be flirting with any school after this season

[dawgs]

True. Auburn and LSU recruit at a high level, and they are up and down. They can barely compete for titles with all the resources and talent they have.

Bama has broke the sec, especially the sec west. Remember how stacked the sec coaching ranks were in the late 00s and early 10s? Saban methodically tore every single one of them down. The other program that's really improved their coaching situation between them and now is uga. The rest have either decidedly regressed or are crossing their fingers the new guy ends up being as good as the old guy.

[RezDog7]

If you don?t think what Mullen did here was special, you?re a moron. Remember all those winning seasons and bowls before he got here? We?ve been garbage 95% of our history. He and Jackie were oasises in a Sahara of bad football. Get the 17 outta here with that shit.

I didn't say he wasn't a good coach but people on the sane board were complaining about him every year as well. He didn't want to be here so what does it matter.

[dawgs]

We've solved that problem. Moorhead won't be flirting with any school after this season

Lulz true, but not the point.

[Dawg2003]

Bama has broke the sec, especially the sec west. Remember how stacked the sec coaching ranks were in the late 00s and early 10s? Saban methodically tore every single one of them down. The other program that's really improved their coaching situation between them and now is uga. The rest have either decidedly regressed or are crossing their fingers the new guy ends up being as good as the old guy.

It's basically rigged to a certain extent. You have to win your conference to get in the CFPs, and there are only certain schools that can do that. It's predetermined for the most part every year. The same 10 or so schools rotate into the CFPs, and Bama usually wins. 99% of us are playing for a bowl game. It's just reality.

[Dawg61]

Mullen is a driven man....can't really hold it against him for any number of reasons too numerous to list.

Didn't seem to driven in recruiting top notch game changing players or very driven to overcome the final hurdles to put us up with the big boys as a program. Seemed quite content with staying as a 8 win type program. Also didn't seem very driven to fix the holes in his coaching staff and even joked about the importance of determining the starting kicker coming off a season in which he lost to South Alabama after missing a short field goal at the end. The more Moorhead sucks the greater Mullen becomes to some on this board recently.

[Dawg61]

Get outta your feelings. Mullen is a great coach. He ain’t here anymore, and that sucks, but he is a great head coach. Demanding more than he gave and bad mouthing him—given our history—makes you look like a jealous, petty **** cake.

Mullen is a good coach not a great coach. Great coaches don't set the all-time worst record vs ranked teams in the history of college football. Looks to me like it's you that is in your feelings not the other way around.

[RocketDawg]

Moorhead said no one has ever picked his offense up so fast. Pretty disconcerting that our HC never saw this coming

I'd hate to see how he'd look if he wasn't such a quick study then ....

[RocketDawg]

I don't care what he considered us. He was 100x better than Moorhead. Hopefully we find another Mullen after we cut bait with joe

Les Miles.

[RocketDawg]

Great. I just aspire for us to be a stepping stone again. Dan is the only coach that's ever left us wo being fired. Jackie was let go. Joe will be the next one fired. Rinse repeat. I'd take dan back now. Right now.

Nope. At least one other. Daryl Royal left us for Texas and had a somewhat decent career there.

[Political Hack]

This is the thought I keep coming back to, but maybe for a different reason... We'd possibly be undefeated and ranked in the top 5 right now if he had not left us right before we were about to peak. This was my fear when he left and why I was hoping he would wait to leave AFTER this season (knowing he was likely going to leave soon). Just one more year, you hunchbacked bastard!

I agree. This season would've been the best test (arguably Dak's Jr season) of whether or not we can truly compete to get into the playoff.

[dawgday166]

I didn't say he wasn't a good coach but people on the sane board were complaining about him every year as well. He didn't want to be here so what does it matter.

Which "sane" board are you talking about? I don't see much sanity on any MSU board I go to ****

[MarketingBully]

It would be a much better atmosphere here

That shithead was going to go to Tennessee before Florida called. Let that sink in. He?d of rather coached the Shitshow in Knoxville then coach his ?greatest team? he ever had here. **** him.

[Bothrops]

A qb would solve all kinds of problems going on now.

One man.