Bo Bounds: Would Hud Be 5-0 Right Now?

[msstate7]

I think Moorhead's personality and demeanor make him more susceptible to the keyboard warriors.

I think it's just his offense and overall performance. This board told me all offseason that joe was better than jimbo freaking Fisher. Our fanbase bought in hook, line, and sinker... joe just hasn't delivered on what he promised

[Tbonewannabe]

It was overblown by all state fans, media, nfl scouts, and even our current staff then. Now this could be true, or more likely, our staff just can't use the talent in a way that fits them. There's another explanation too... Mullen was just that damn good to win an "untalented" team

I think our players believing the press is another issue. There is a reason Saban chews out reporters for writing stories about how good Bama is.

[msstate7]

When have we competed for the West since 2000? Mullen shit the bed in 2014 with a once in a generation QB. Mullen himself said he took us as far as he could, he admitted he would never beat Bama. Cohen hired a guy that he hoped would be able to compete with Bama by having explosive plays. It isn't like his offense only worked at lower levels and the Big12. The Big10 is more of a defense league so doing what he did there is impressive. Maybe trying to run the offense and being CEO is biting JoMo in the ass. Not many head coaches can call all the plays either Offense or Defense and be successful.

Right. We won't compete in the west year-in, year-out

[msstate7]

I think our players believing the press is another issue. There is a reason Saban chews out reporters for writing stories about how good Bama is.

Our head coach fed it... know your ring sizes and crap

[BrunswickDawg]

Guess you didn't see where he acknowledged the offense is bad right now and wasn't defending that.

Kinda hard to deny the stats of UF's and KY's defensive numbers this year. They aren't just crazy unbelievable or anything. No one is claiming that. It's not like he is making any of the numbers up. They may be a tad bit padded by how shotty we played them but they still had an answer for everything they've faced. That padding isn't helping them out that much.

Both those teams are currently put together as a whole better than we are right now. If you disagree you are in denial.

Exactly.

Another point I am trying to make is that many are also making an assumption that the Dan Mullen Offense would just walk in and run all over Kentucky and Florida. Well, the book on how to beat State didn't change because Dan Mullen left. For 8 of the past 9 years, if you could lock down the MSU running game, you won. Forcing MSU into winning by throwing the ball was your best chance - either our OL wasn't built for pass pro, our QB's were not talented enough that we could win with throwing, or our WR's could not get separation, or a combination of all of these. These issues are structural, not schematic. Certain offensive schemes could mask it to a point - however, all of what I just listed were all the things we all recognized as limitations to Dan Mullen teams - and bitched about for years on this board. Some years, we over came it. Some years we struggled to win 6. Teams have learned this more over the last 2 years watching film on Fitz. Sell out to stop the run, and we don't have the passing game to beat you. They did the same thing to Chris Relf in 2011. They did it to Tyler Russell when our OL was absolute trash and got him killed nearly every game. They did it to Dak in 2015, and have done it to Fitz as well. The changes to the offense have exacerbated the issues - there is no denying that. But there is absolutely no guarantee that the Dan Mullen Offense would have done any differently.

What changes from year to year are what teams can match up to our deficiencies and force us to play their game instead of ours. And, I may be totally wrong about Kentucky and UF - and that is fine - it's just 17n football.

[BrunswickDawg]

Our head coach fed it... know your ring sizes and crap

And how many people on here complained for years "we don't have championship expectations so we will never have championship level teams".

I'm pretty sure I've seen that post 1,000,000,000,000 times.

Can't have it both ways.

[StateDawg44]

Yeah I'd much rather have a new coach come in and play it safe and lack confidence.****

[msstate7]

Yeah I'd much rather have a new coach come in and play it safe and lack confidence.****

This is so much better. Our games are so much fun. If you can't appreciate infinite bad punts after 3 and outs, well you just aren't a good fan

[Tbonewannabe]

Our head coach fed it... know your ring sizes and crap

He has definitely not walked the walk yet. I like the confidence and from his record you would expect good to great results. For whatever reason it isn't working but I haven't seen anyone actually break down what is going wrong. All I have seen is "offense sux, fire him".

I remember watching Croom's offense and thinking a lot of the time there just wasn't anything there. WRs wouldn't be open or we were running and all the Oline made their blocks but we still only got 2 yards. I don't get the same feeling with this offense. It is more like our offense against USA where a player was just screwing up on every series. Oline just whiffing on blocks, WRs not catching open passes, or QB just overthrowing wide open guys or not seeing the TE that is alone on his hashmark.

[StateDawg44]

This is so much better. Our games are so much fun. If you can't appreciate infinite bad punts after 3 and outs, well you just aren't a good fan

Yeah that's what I was saying. Yet another example of you making up words to justify the fact that you bought into everything and your expectations got the best of you and now your feelings are hurt. You just need something or someone else to blame or argue with.

I haven't said once that I'm overly optimistic but I damn sure am not coming up with hypothetical reasons that are really just impossible to prove to be the cause of the problem like they are facts. I'll be a fan of MSU at the beginning and the end of the game no matter the outcome and won't be bitching and moaning like you.

I'm elated that I am not as negative and pessimistic as you. It must be tiring.

[dawgs]

This whole fanbase will hate joe Moorhead if he loses the next 2. I don't think he'd ever recover

We could look significantly improved and still end up losing to LSU and auburn. Both are more talented than Kentucky and Florida. Anyone expecting us to win these games has their head in the sand, losing them won't change a single thing about the opinion of moorhead I have right now.

I think his offense is a better offense than Mullen's offense. I think it's far more complex and requires a higher level of skill. Our guys heads are clearly swimming (especially the OL), and I just don't know if we have the WRs to get separation or the QB to deliver it consistently enough. Even on short passes, fitz consistently throws behind guys. Can't even count the number of swing passes and short crossing routes he's completed the pass but it's been on the back shoulder, causing the receiver to stop or slow his momentum to make the catch and pretty much eliminating any catch and run potential like those plays are designed to achieve. I think we are looking at a 6-6 ceiling this year at this point, let's see how keytaon develops and find out if he can be the guy next year, or if we need to start hoping Mayden or shrader can be the guy. Anything to give a spark cause right now we don't have it.

[Dawg2003]

He deserves every bit of criticism he's gotten. I think he can be good here m, but at very least he completely monkey 17ed the evaluation of this team and it's players.

Feels like the new staff was extremely arrogant and didn't quite respect what Mullen did here

I'm wondering that myself. Remember how he mentioned several times that we hadn't had a winning SEC but once in the past X years? Kind of throwing shade at Mullen. Well, now Moorhead is staring right in the face of a losing SEC record.

[dawgday166]

Anyone who thinks Mullen loses to Kentucky with this team is insane.

Not with same staff he has now. But if he has to hire each individually and has mostly never worked long with any of them then I believe he could've lost to KY.

[msstate7]

Not with same staff he has now. But if he has to hire each individually and has mostly never worked long with any of them then I believe he could've lost to KY.

And whose fault would it be if he made bad hires?

[Dawg2003]

We could look significantly improved and still end up losing to LSU and auburn. Both are more talented than Kentucky and Florida. Anyone expecting us to win these games has their head in the sand, losing them won't change a single thing about the opinion of moorhead I have right now.t.

I'm worried we may not even score a touchdown against Auburn or LSU. We couldn't against Florida. Why would anyone think we could against Auburn LSU who have better defenses?

[dawgday166]

This is so much better. Our games are so much fun. If you can't appreciate infinite bad punts after 3 and outs, well you just aren't a good fan

So how many times have our special teams sucked under Mullen post year 2 or 3. 2014 wasn't stellar. Helped get us beat against Bama. We used to bitch about his special teams all the time. Then he gets his ass motivated to get out of town and he works at making sure they can help him do that.

Funny how last year all of sudden he scrambles around, hires a good DC, scrambles around to recruit a bunch of Jucos to fill in holes on D, our Oline play improves a lot from 2016, etc. How come he didn't do stuff like that every damn year he was here.

[msstate7]

So how many times have our special teams sucked under Mullen post year 2 or 3. 2014 wasn't stellar. Helped get us beat against Bama. We used to bitch about his special teams all the time. Then he gets his ass motivated to get out of town and he works at making sure they can help him do that.

Funny how last year all of sudden he scrambles around, hires a good DC, scrambles around to recruit a bunch of Jucos to fill in holes on D, our Oline play improves a lot from 2016, etc. How come he didn't do stuff like that every damn year he was here.

We won 34 his last 4 years. You taking the O/U on 34 wins the next 4 years?

[dawgday166]

That's 8.5 wins a year. With losses to OM every good year we had. And blown out by Bama and AU except in 2015. That's decent but he could've done better IMO if he had hustled a little more. He jetting off to Europe and taking whole summer off pre 2016. Thought he would be out in 2015 but Manny left him high and dry when Richt got Miami job. So he said "F*** 2016" I guess. Then he gets he ass chewed and we "don't appreciate him" winning against 4 sorry OOC, 2 pitiful East teams, and 2 pitiful West teams.

ETA: Go take you anti-separation anxiety meds ****

[msstate7]

That's 8.5 wins a year. With losses to OM every good year we had. And blown out by Bama and AU except in 2015. That's decent but he could've done better IMO if he had hustled a little more. He jetting off to Europe and taking whole summer off pre 2016. Thought he would be out in 2015 but Manny left him high and dry when Richt got Miami job. So he said "F*** 2016" I guess. Then he gets he ass chewed and we "don't appreciate him" winning against 4 sorry OOC, 2 pitiful East teams, and 2 pitiful West teams.

So that's an over?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Mullen would have had us 5-0..... then we lose at LSU, Bama and Ole Miss.