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    Henderson has earned the right to turn it down, if he doesn't want it

    I don't know what else a person would have to do to earn the right to be offered the HC baseball position at MSU. There is no way we would be able to with stand the media onslaught if he wasn't offered the job. JC has been smart not offering the job to any one up to this point with the way this season has played out. The media has made this hiring process a circus, not John Cohen. He has given the requirements that he is looking for. It just so happens Gary Henderson is getting around to by adding the Omaha trip on his resume. I think JC and Miss State will look like a huge winner in all of this in the end. You really couldn't ask for a better situation for the program than what is playing out on national TV. I hope we have to continue postponing the hiring of a new baseball coach, why, because we are still battling in O-M-A-H-A.

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    This thread should go well

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    i agree 100%...we would look like complete A$$holes if we dont.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodaski View Post
    I don't know what else a person would have to do to earn the right to be offered the HC baseball position at MSU. There is no way we would be able to with stand the media onslaught if he wasn't offered the job. JC has been smart not offering the job to any one up to this point with the way this season has played out. The media has made this hiring process a circus, not John Cohen. He has given the requirements that he is looking for. It just so happens Gary Henderson is getting around to by adding the Omaha trip on his resume. I think JC and Miss State will look like a huge winner in all of this in the end. You really couldn't ask for a better situation for the program than what is playing out on national TV. I hope we have to continue postponing the hiring of a new baseball coach, why, because we are still battling in O-M-A-H-A.
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    Prisoner of the moment. Cohen cannot let the team catching lightening in the bottle at the end of the year cloud his judgment on the hire. Remember, we were one pitch away in Tallahassee from the option not even being on the table. I think we have to get a few more ?No?s? before we offer Henderson. The exact thing happened with Polk in 2007. We got hot and made Omaha and extended Polk. He obviously needed to go before the Omaha run but we got caught in the moment and figured Polk would turn it around. The program was bottoming out and most of our fans refused to see it for what it was. That allowed Ole Miss to continue their climb in recruiting.

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    This is not college football. Nationally, no one will care. Rick Cleveland and Kellenberger May would write smn negative, but no major traction.

    Also, I'd rather get this hire right (even if that's Hindu) than look nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    This is not college football. Nationally, no one will care. Rick Cleveland and Kellenberger May would write smn negative, but no major traction.

    Also, I'd rather get this hire right (even if that's Hindu) than look nice.
    Well said.

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    The program is currently set up for an established guy to come in. Brand new facilities, back to back top 10 classes waiting in the pipeline, and a team that will be able to compete NEXT year. This won?t be a rebuild. They will have to take the keys to the Corvette and not flip the car in the ditch on Hwy 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog View Post
    Prisoner of the moment. Cohen cannot let the team catching lightening in the bottle at the end of the year cloud his judgment on the hire. Remember, we were one pitch away in Tallahassee from the option not even being on the table. I think we have to get a few more ?No?s? before we offer Henderson. The exact thing happened with Polk in 2007. We got hot and made Omaha and extended Polk. He obviously needed to go before the Omaha run but we got caught in the moment and figured Polk would turn it around. The program was bottoming out and most of our fans refused to see it for what it was. That allowed Ole Miss to continue their climb in recruiting.
    We have a chance to take the next step and become a power. I don't want to make a prisoner of the moment move and then have it not work out and have to rebuild again because we didn't want a negative article by The Clarion-Ledger written about us.

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    Hendo deserves way more credit than he's getting on here for what he's done with this team. He has made a lot of posters look dumb and quite a few of them are doubling down...very odd and somewhat funny to watch.

    Then on the other side of the coin this does feel like a bill Stewart at West Virginia scenario. But I'll lean toward trusting Cohen in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeless joe View Post
    Hendo deserves way more credit than he's getting on here for what he's done with this team. He has made a lot of posters look dumb and quite a few of them are doubling down...very odd and somewhat funny to watch.

    Then on the other side of the coin this does feel like a bill Stewart at West Virginia scenario. But I'll lean toward trusting Cohen in the end.
    The deal here is Henderson gets the blame for anything bad. Anything good happened in spite of him. It's asinine.

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    Henderson has done a great job keeping the ship afloat. I don?t think anyone will disagree with that. With all due respect to him, MSU can do better than Henderson. Historically, MSU has done a poor job of extending a guy that was questionable because of one of year of success. Croom in 2007 was SEC coach of the year, but our offense was going nowhere fast and the defense won those games that year. He lasted one more year and was gone. (IF) Henderson had a bad year next year, and it was realized that he was not the correct hire, it could hurt our program for years to come. The SEC isn?t a baseball league to make a questionable hire in. Even at MSU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeless joe View Post
    Hendo deserves way more credit than he's getting on here for what he's done with this team. He has made a lot of posters look dumb and quite a few of them are doubling down...very odd and somewhat funny to watch.

    Then on the other side of the coin this does feel like a bill Stewart at West Virginia scenario. But I'll lean toward trusting Cohen in the end.
    I think he is getting enough credit from the people saying he doesn't get enough credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog View Post
    Henderson has done a great job keeping the ship afloat. I don?t think anyone will disagree with that. With all due respect to him, MSU can do better than Henderson. Historically, MSU has done a poor job of extending a guy that was questionable because of one of year of success. Croom in 2007 was SEC coach of the year, but our offense was going nowhere fast and the defense won those games that year. He lasted one more year and was gone. (IF) Henderson had a bad year next year, and it was realized that he was not the correct hire, it could hurt our program for years to come. The SEC isn?t a baseball league to make a questionable hire in. Even at MSU.
    Exactly. And then what? We either fire him anyway and start over again or let him run the program in the ground for a few years while creating a lot of uncertainty and then end up being in worse shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Exactly. And then what? We either fire him anyway and start over again or let him run the program in the ground for a few years while creating a lot of uncertainty and then end up being in worse shape.
    Our fans would say, ?But he made Omaha in 2018. Give him time to turn it around?. Lather, rinse and repeat.

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    Can we just enjoy the run and worry about this shit when the season is over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarketingBully View Post
    Can we just enjoy the run and worry about this shit when the season is over?
    Sure, but discussing this doesn’t hurt our teams focus in Omaha. My focus on my recliner doesn’t hurt or help our two strike approach at the plate either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog View Post
    Sure, but discussing this doesn’t hurt our teams focus in Omaha. My focus on my recliner doesn’t hurt or help our two strike approach at the plate either.
    True. But it is paramount that I take a slam each game day prior to first pitch. I'll keep doing my part

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    This is not college football. Nationally, no one will care. Rick Cleveland and Kellenberger May would write smn negative, but no major traction.

    Also, I'd rather get this hire right (even if that's Hindu) than look nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog View Post
    Henderson has done a great job keeping the ship afloat. I don?t think anyone will disagree with that. With all due respect to him, MSU can do better than Henderson. Historically, MSU has done a poor job of extending a guy that was questionable because of one of year of success. Croom in 2007 was SEC coach of the year, but our offense was going nowhere fast and the defense won those games that year. He lasted one more year and was gone. (IF) Henderson had a bad year next year, and it was realized that he was not the correct hire, it could hurt our program for years to come. The SEC isn?t a baseball league to make a questionable hire in. Even at MSU.
    As simple as these 2 posts are, they are 2 of the best I've seen on the subject. We are great team. Henderson as interim head coach is definitely part of that team and has played his role well this year. I will be forever grateful for his role on this very special team. I don't know exactly how much of a role he's played, but he's no doubt played a role in helping getting us to this point. However, there is no doubt that Henderson is not the best coach in the country. He's also not 2nd, or 3rd, etc. Exactly where he ranks is obviously unknown, but if we feel we can get one of those better than him, then we get one of those coaches better than him. Its not like we'd be firing the 5th best coach in the country to hire someone better. Henderson is an interim coach. At the end of the season that title goes away naturally and we're free to make whatever decision we want. That said, Henderson should absolutely be considered for the job, but nobody is owed anything.

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    Piggy-backing on your post, it’s not out of the question that Gautreau is the best coach on staff and could be the best head coach of the two. Why not him? For the long term, he would be the better option. Why? Because MSU can do better. That simple.


    Quote Originally Posted by sleepy dawg View Post
    As simple as these 2 posts are, they are 2 of the best I've seen on the subject. We are great team. Henderson as interim head coach is definitely part of that team and has played his role well this year. I will be forever grateful for his role on this very special team. I don't know exactly how much of a role he's played, but he's no doubt played a role in helping getting us to this point. However, there is no doubt that Henderson is not the best coach in the country. He's also not 2nd, or 3rd, etc. Exactly where he ranks is obviously unknown, but if we feel we can get one of those better than him, then we get one of those coaches better than him. Its not like we'd be firing the 5th best coach in the country to hire someone better. Henderson is an interim coach. At the end of the season that title goes away naturally and we're free to make whatever decision we want. That said, Henderson should absolutely be considered for the job, but nobody is owed anything.

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    No. You don't give a job to a guy as a reward....you hire a guy that gives us the best chance to win going forward. If the best we can get is Henderson, hire him. But it isn't, and he shouldn't get the job. If Cohen hires Gary, it's a sign that Cohen is more worried about how he'll look if he doesn't, than the future of our program.

    That's my thoughts.

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