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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari Gold View Post
    That’s not on Rowdy. Its on the terrible relay throw to third.
    And then a pretty bad throw home by Fosc. A good throw nails him

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    Look. The left side is true freshmen. Rowdy has had his struggles in left field true. But Foscue has struggled himself at 3rd probably even more so. Rowdy tried to make a fantastic catch and missed. The throw to 3rd to me wasn’t awful. Foscue has got to come up with or at least block it. Then after it got away, he shoulda thrown the guy out by 2 feet at home and almost panicked and rushed the three and threw it to the pitchers mound instead of home plate. We’ve got to take the lumps in the field for them at the plate though. With experience both will be much better in the field

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari Gold View Post
    That?s not on Rowdy. Its on the terrible relay throw to third.
    Thanks Ari, the PlayStation Guy must not have seen not one bad relay throw but how bout Two!

    Coulda, Woulda Shoulda. That's Baseball!

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    Actually, he is. He just can't hit shit but he's an elite defender and he would've

    caught that ball last night.
    "The QB and the receiver weren't on the same page there, but hey its only week eleven". (Jack Cristil)

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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    Thanks Ari, the PlayStation Guy must not have seen not one bad relay throw but how bout Two!

    Coulda, Woulda Shoulda. That's Baseball!
    We're just discussing the game last night. I'm not sure what a "PlayStation" has to do with anything

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    The last thing I want is Gary Henderson thinking right now.

    FWIW- Rowdey made a play off the wall similar to last night in Houston and got the out. The throw in wasn't great and it was compounded by hitting the runner.

    But here's my thing- we play so many close and extra innings games I would rather keep our bats in the lineup. If we had a dominant shut down pitching staff I might feel differently but since that's not happening this year I want to keep the bats in.

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    If we are up 4-6 with 3 outs left, fine, put him in. But if you are looking at any possible scenario barring a collapse, where he may have to come to the plate, the simple answer is Hell No, do not put him in. His bat is a severe liability

    ETA: I am a state fan above all else, so my sincerest wish is if this occurred and he were sent in late innings for ?defense?, he belt one over the left center field wall and do a double finger salute to all us doubters
    Last edited by Rick Danko; 06-09-2018 at 01:13 PM. Reason: Just because

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Danko View Post
    If we are up 4-6 with 3 outs left, fine, put him in. But if you are looking at any possible scenario barring a collapse, where he may have to come to the plate, the simple answer is Hell No, do not put him in. His bat is a severe liability
    Rowdey was the last out in the 8th. The lineup would've had to flip completely for Poole to hit again

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Rowdey was the last out in the 8th. The lineup would've had to flip completely for Poole to hit again
    The game was within a run I think. You have to play percentages. No one knows they get the crazy play score. No one had a clue Mac relives his magic. It?s too close to call to pull a plus hitter for a marginally better gloves. JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Danko View Post
    The game was within a run I think. You have to play percentages. No one knows they get the crazy play score. No one had a clue Mac relives his magic. It?s too close to call to pull a plus hitter for a marginally better gloves. JMHO
    And I respect your opinion. This isn't a cut and dry decision. I like to get best defenders in there and try to close it, but it can backfire. Vice versa the other way

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Rowdey is a star in the making. I love the kid, but he struggles in the OF. His fielding % is .951 (4 errors). This doesn't even tell the whole story bc he gets bad reads all the time on balls. This kid should play despite that though bc he can flat out smash. When you need 3 outs though with the CWS on the line, I play the better defender bc you take a glove to LF, not a bat
    Here's the BIG THING that all of you are missing concerning Rowdy's play in outfield ---he was recruited and and primarily played only at 2B and SS in high school. He has had to make this transition on the fly during the season. We didn't have a field during the Fall for him to get ahead of the curve. Let him get through this season and another Fall before we cast him off from OF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westdawg View Post
    Here's the BIG THING that all of you are missing concerning Rowdy's play in outfield ---he was recruited and and primarily played only at 2B and SS in high school. He has had to make this transition on the fly during the season. We didn't have a field during the Fall for him to get ahead of the curve. Let him get through this season and another Fall before we cast him off from OF.
    I didn't make any predictions about his future. Players get better with age. This was only about 3 outs in the 9th last night

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    Here is my question? We win the game, does it matter now about any what if’s?
    Now if we had gotten beat so be it and question a Coach’s decision.

    Trying to find a negative about a positive win is crazy now. Geez

    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    We are 117th in the country in fielding percentage.
    Our pitchers made an atrocious amount of errors during nonconference play. I'm not saying we're good, but we're not that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    We are 117th in the country in fielding percentage.
    Throwing errors are the majority of those. Everyone on here is talking about catching a ball that hit 10 feet up a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltydog View Post
    caught that ball last night.
    How do you know that? You have no clue that he 100% would have caught that. I hate when people say that to bolster an argument.

    Say I think he might have had a better chance. But for sure would have caught that ball? You don't know that. Catching a ball 10 feet up a wall isn't exactly a routine play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetEdDawg View Post
    How do you know that? You have no clue that he 100% would have caught that. I hate when people say that to bolster an argument.

    Say I think he might have had a better chance. But for sure would have caught that ball? You don't know that. Catching a ball 10 feet up a wall isn't exactly a routine play.
    "10 foot off the wall" could be your way of bolstering your argument. Go look at the highlights http://www.secsports.com front page

    Rowdey listed at 5'10"; Poole listed at 6'4". I think 1/2 a foot would have been quite beneficial
    Last edited by msstate7; 06-09-2018 at 02:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    "10 foot off the wall" could be your way of bolstering your argument. Go look at the highlights http://www.secsports.com front page

    Rowdey listed at 5'10"; Poole listed at 6'4". I think 1/2 a foot would have been quite beneficial
    Possibly. Maybe it was 8-9 feet. Either way height had nothing to do with it. Rowdey could have caught the ball. It was about timing and positioning not height. All I'm saying is it was a damn difficult play and for us to assume Poole makes that play is ridiculous.

    At this point there is nothing Poole does good enough for me to sacrifice Rowdey Jordan. Not one thing. I'll also say that my guess is the majority of people asking for Poole to defensive sub don't coach or never have coached baseball or played baseball at a high level. You only see that when there is a significant difference between the two and there isn't here. Especially if we have to turn the lineup over again.

    What people really should be mad at are the relay throw and the throw home. Those both were god awful. Cost us the run 100%. Not Rowdey. Ask any legitimate OF and if they tell you the truth that play gets made at best 50%, especially when you consider there's not warning track because the field is all turf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetEdDawg View Post
    What people really should be mad at are the relay throw and the throw home. Those both were god awful. Cost us the run 100%.
    I agree with this.

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    I see a lot of prople here who don't understand how difficult it is to catch a ball up against a wall. Especially a 30 foot wall. I know mstate7 is about to say it's only 28 and a half feet of a wall or something like that.

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