Thoughts moving forward...

[CadaverDawg]

Well, since Coach likes to label anybody that is tired of watching doormats pass us by as "Little brother", I've decided that those of us that don't accept status quo can have a different mindset going forward.

First of all, I see "little brother" as someone who knows his role and can accept when his program is stagnant or going in reverse. Instead of fighting it or demanding progress, "little brother" shuts up and says "woe is me, we are MSU we shouldn't demand anything more". So sorry coach, but little brother in this case is you that accepts his role. Keep in mind, those of us pissed off, are not pissed off ONLY because Ole miss beat LSU....it is because 4 teams on our level or worse in the sec accomplished something we can't yesterday. And don't give me that horseshit about something we did 3-4 years ago. 3-4 years is a decade in the sEC.

Also, "little brother" would demand less and therefore expect less. Well, I'm tired of low expectations. Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, and ole miss, all expected to win yesterday against better teams, so that's what I'm expecting going forward. No more griping about what we haven't done, instead start demanding we improve too.

I am now expecting us to beat One of the following:

South Carolina
A&M
Alabama

And I am demanding we win the following:

Kentucky
Arkansas
Ole miss

Anything below 4 more wins and I want a coaching change. Because we will be stagnant and/or moving downhill.

What some of you don't realize is that sitting still is moving backwards in this conference. Yesterday showed that perennial doormats are improving in this conference, so being ok with 6 wins is no longer going to cut it, unless we want to be dead last in the conference. As of today, we are just above Arkansas and Kentucky. We will have a chance to improve drastically by accomplishing the goals I listed above. Anything less is unacceptable, because everyone is proving that winning in this league is not as hard as we act like it is. And gone are the days of marking LSU, Bama, and A&M a loss. That's a "little brother" mentality. We can compete just like everyone else in this league so it's time we start expecting and demanding it.

This is not a thread to start a debate, just a thread to those others that are tired of the product we are putting on the field. We can have higher expectations. So keep cheering your asses off, and let's not complain anymore about things that happened in the past, and let's hope that the team and coach can accomplish 7 wins. I don't think that is expecting too much, and anybody that does must have a little brother mentality.

[bluelightstar]

Thank you for this

[ShotgunDawg]

I can agree with this Cadaver. You set forth expectations, didn't bitch, and didn't dwell on things in the past. You typically make very good points when you aren't an emotional dumpster fire.

Very good write up, and I as well don't want to settle either. I want higher expectations as well, but realize that firing everyone mid-season isn't the way to it.

Little Brother is what happened on the board last night, not the fact that you want higher expectations. What you said today should Bowling Green, Ok State, and Auburn. Not right after OM pulls off a big win.

[Todd4State]

I can agree with this Cadaver. You set forth expectations, didn't bitch, and didn't dwell on things in the past. You typically make very good points when you aren't an emotional dumpster fire.

Very good write up, and I as well don't want to settle either. I want higher expectations as well, but realize that firing everyone mid-season isn't the way to it.

Has any really said this? I've seen plenty of people suggest making changes after the season- or at least that's how I took it.

[CadaverDawg]

I can agree with this Cadaver. You set forth expectations, didn't bitch, and didn't dwell on things in the past. You typically make very good points when you aren't an emotional dumpster fire.

Very good write up, and I as well don't want to settle either. I want higher expectations as well, but realize that firing everyone mid-season isn't the way to it.

Little Brother is what happened on the board last night, not the fact that you want higher expectations. What you said today should Bowling Green, Ok State, and Auburn. Not right after OM pulls off a big win.

I never said anything about a midseason fire. Not sure where you pulled that.

And quit telling me what i meant or what I Should have done. I meant what I said and it wasnt little brother. If you cant read abd comprehend thats not my problem...but i dont need you putting words in mouth or telling me what i need to do. Agree or disagree, and leave it at that.

[ShotgunDawg]

Has any really said this? I've seen plenty of people suggest making changes after the season- or at least that's how I took it.

Thats the way it comes across. If not, then why not wait to say it after the season?

[CadaverDawg]

Thats the way it comes across. If not, then why not wait to say it after the season?

Because it's a message board. You dont get to decide when people get to say things. Your piwer trip is getting old. I liked your posts and agreed with you a lot until you went all Genespage Hall Monitor the last week. Not sure what happened, but I wish they would go back to how you WERE. Not trying to be an ass. I know i get extreme sonetimes, but I still dont need an editor on a damn message board.

[ShotgunDawg]

Because it's a message board. You dont get to decide when people get to say things. Your piwer trip is getting old. I liked your posts and agreed with you a lot until you went all Genespage Hall Monitor the last week. Not sure what happened, but I wish they would go back to how you WERE. Not trying to be an ass. I know i get extreme sonetimes, but I still dont need an editor on a damn message board.

You are an emotional dumpster fire Cadaver and I can't respect people that don't have the ability to make objective rational decisions and use logic. I gave you credit for your post this morning. You are a good poster and make very good points when you aren't emotional.

I'm objective and look at things for what they are. I'm am not a Genespage skittles and candy corn poster. We have issues that need to get fixed, but your crying wolf. When you are unobjective, emotional, and make statements right after your rival pulls an upset, then it's hard for people to take you seriously, even when your right.

NOW, I'll go back to being the same ole Shotgun who makes good well thought out posts, and I'll stop being a hall monitor. We'll call a truce on this thing, because I truly believe we both want the same thing and think we have the best interest of MSU at heart.

That being said, you know where I stand.

[msstate7]

When i said most of our fan base wanted Dan gone Monday, you said you didnt want him gone. So on a bye week, you've changed your mind?

[CadaverDawg]

When i said most of our fan base wanted Dan gone Monday, you said you didnt want him gone. So on a bye week, you've changed your mind?

Did you read? I said IF goals arent met. Why is that so hard to understand?

[EnterpriseDawg]

My feelings haven't changed since last night. I use to be labeled a "sunshine pumper," but after yesterday I've just had enough. Watching four new coaches obtaining what I have waited patiently for 4 1/2 years to have happen is sickening to me. I really don't care about what we haven't achieved in the past. I'm sure these kids these days don't either. What they do see are teams like OM playing with heart and putting an exciting product on the field. They also see us laying down to elite teams and struggling to teams like BG. The worse feeling is wondering if we will handle this like Jackie? You know, waiting till we hit rock bottom n'shit.

[Todd4State]

Thats the way it comes across. If not, then why not wait to say it after the season?

Why wait until after the season to say it? People are just giving their opinion based on a current observation. That opinion can certainly change if things start to get better as well.

[msstate7]

Did you read? I said IF goals arent met. Why is that so hard to understand?

So if Dan wins 3, we should fire him?

[CadaverDawg]

My feelings haven't changed since last night. I use to be labeled a "sunshine pumper," but after yesterday I've just had enough. Watching four new coaches obtaining what I have waited patiently for 4 1/2 years to have happen is sickening to me. I really don't care about what we haven't achieved in the past. I'm sure these kids these days don't either. What they do see are teams like OM playing with heart and putting an exciting product on the field. They also see us laying down to elite teams and struggling to teams like BG. The worse feeling is wondering if we will handle this like Jackie? You know, waiting till we hit rock bottom n'shit.

Yep.

And I want to restate for those that can't seem to understand. If Shotgun and Coach and others aren't ready to pull he trigger on Dan even if we win 4-5 games is year...fine. I respect your opinion. But don't be labeling those of us that actually think the program can do better, and that demand more from our coach than "we are happy to be 3-3", as "Little brother mentality" or "Closet Bears". Not only is that completely idiotic and does it sound ghey...it's also the furthest thing from the truth.

We just want to see our program progress. And it doesn't have to be wins and losses....it can be effort and on field coaching. If those don't improve and we can't beat a team better than Kentucky or Arkansas, IMO we should be seeking a replacement.

[CadaverDawg]

So if Dan wins 3, we should fire him?

3 more? Or 3 period?

[msstate7]

3 more? Or 3 period?

3 more. You said he should be required to beat 1 of USCe, aTm, or bama and beat the other 3.

[CadaverDawg]

Why wait until after the season to say it? People are just giving their opinion based on a current observation. That opinion can certainly change if things start to get better as well.

Exactly.

If we come out with some fire and really compete with South Carolina only to fall just short....I may change my mind to 6 wins. I just want to see the kind of effort it takes to beat good teams. I can forgive less talent, and I can forgive players making mistakes, but I can't forgive a coach with no fire and a team that doesn't play with max effort for 4 quarters.

[CadaverDawg]

3 more. You said he should be required to beat 1 of USCe, aTm, or bama and beat the other 3.

If the effort doesn't change, yes. If we play our asses off for 4 quarters and come up just short against those teams....I might feel differently. But if the effort stays as pitiful as it has been, I want to see 7 wins. After all, it would be "little brother" of me not to expect 7 wins from this talent, right? Especially if Dan is the coach you guys think he is.

[EnterpriseDawg]

Exactly.

If we come out with some fire and really compete with South Carolina only to fall just short....I may change my mind to 6 wins. I just want to see the kind of effort it takes to beat good teams. I can forgive less talent, and I can forgive players making mistakes, but I can't forgive a coach with no fire and a team that doesn't play with max effort for 4 quarters.

Thats pretty much how I feel. Just ready for the offense we were promised when we hired Dan.

[ShotgunDawg]

If Dan only wins 3-5 games, and we play like we did last season in those losses, then yes I would be on board for firing him. However, if we win 5 games with losses coming on hail marries or bad calls in close 4th quarter games, then no, I wouldn't be in favor of it.

The point is that we still have half our season to play, and we have shown FLASHES of being a pretty good team. This thing could go either way. I can see how we could win every game from here on out, except Bama, and I can see how we could lose most games from here on out.

Therefore, since the results are HIGHLY inconclusive at the point, I choose to try and support our team, in hopes that we play consistently and for 60 minutes like we have FLASHED the ability to do.