I Knew it Was a Bad Decision to Emotionally Reinvest in Basketball Tonight.

[Cowboydawg]

Damn..... some of you gave Ray 3 years but you won't give a proven winner 3. We need more big men..... any of you that followed any sort of basketball recruiting would know that Herard needed time to develop. You'd also know that we missed on recruiting the 4, which is what we needed desperately. Y'all are some impatient bastards.

A Gavin Ware would make a huge difference on this team. You could slide Holman to the 4 and you have your big body rebounder and your off side shot blocker. Herard is giving his all but like you said...he needs time.

[Dawgface]

I think people are overreacting because either
A. You're expectations were too high
Or
B. You don't understand the game of basketball very well

C. Some understand we suck and are tired of it.

[BrunswickDawg]

Anyone who thought this was going to be an easy 1-2 year rebuild was fooling themselves. The game has changed way too much over over the past 10 years - and it has been way too long since we were a Top 25 program for this to be easy.

While everyone wants to blame Loafers and Rick Ray - the decay is much deeper. MSU has not finished a season in the Top 25 since 2004. MSU has not had a NCAA Tourney team since 2009. It's 2017 - and it has been 13 years since we were really relevant on a national level. We had a nice run from 1991-2004 - but even that only included six finishes in the Top 25. That is not a basketball power school. It just isn't. And before that, you have to go back to the 1960s to see us ranked.

The Hump used to be a great place to watch basketball. We had some great games and competitive teams. We didn't suck a lot (unlike football), although I sat through 3 years of mediocre ball from 1992-1994 before actually seeing a "good" team in 95. But beyond that, no one should be thinking Howland was going to turn us into Kentucky. If you do, you are on some high quality weed.

[louisvilledawg]

Right, probably only 2 times in our history have we been on their level. Once when Bailey Howell played, and our 1996 team.

Add Lawrence Robert's first year

[thf24]

C. Some understand we suck and are tired of it.

Nope, go back to A or B. If you think we can be good right away at MSU after the 5-6 years before Howland we subjected ourselves to, you're delusional. At this point your options are either have some patience, understanding we're finally back on a good track, or stop paying attention.

[msstate7]

A Gavin Ware would make a huge difference on this team. You could slide Holman to the 4 and you have your big body rebounder and your off side shot blocker. Herard is giving his all but like you said...he needs time.

I wish we had kept giving datcher a few mins a game. If so, we could afford to go big with herard and Holman on the court at the same time vs teams like bama

[thf24]

I wish we had kept giving datcher a few mins a game. If so, we could afford to go big with herard and Holman on the court at the same time vs teams like bama

Agreed. Having to play a stretch 4 as our starting C is killing us in more ways than one.

[Cowboydawg]

C. Some understand we suck and are tired of it.

That's understandable but this team has some real talent. I'm tired of sucking in basketball too and I was mad last night after the loss but these freshmen cant be held accountable for the past few teams failures. They are going to get better...this year...but they are also going to be frustrating at times. Howland has some great film from last night where they can see when they are at their best and when they are at their worst. That was the first SEC game of their careers. Don't give up on the yet!

[tcdog70]

Right, probably only 2 times in our history have we been on their level. Once when Bailey Howell played, and our 1996 team.

wrong--- 1990 team was and the Rickey Brown -Wiley Peck-Ray White team was.

[dawgday166]

Howland is a good recruiter. It is yet to be seen if he can coach.

Do you really believe this?

[Cowboydawg]

I wish we had kept giving datcher a few mins a game. If so, we could afford to go big with herard and Holman on the court at the same time vs teams like bama

I don't know what's going on with Datcher. I thought he looked more fluid and athletic than Herard when he played. Seems to rebound just as well also.

[HSVDawg]

Howland has a very good track record at 3 other schools, and his win records show major improvement in year two. We should be beyond the point of having a setback like last night, by now. So I'm a little concerned.

Past the point of having a setback like last night? Shit, we lost by 15 to f-ing Lehigh. I'm not real sure what folks were expecting as we hit SEC play. This team is gonna have some head scratching performances, which is typical of young teams that rely heavily on 3 point shooting.

[BB30]

Past the point of having a setback like last night? Shit, we lost by 15 to f-ing Lehigh. I'm not real sure what folks were expecting as we hit SEC play. This team is gonna have some head scratching performances, which is typical of young teams that rely heavily on 3 point shooting.

Agreed, we will have some terrible games but we can also beat just about anyone left on the schedule when we are on. They are young. We really really need to find and or develop a true 5 instead of playing a stretch 4 down low. Most of these kids have never learned to play defense it will take some time. We are light years ahead of where we were 3-4 years ago even if it has not shown up on the court yet.

[fishwater99]

I doubt he started with the cupboard as bare as he did here at Pitt and UCLA. His best talent last year were freshman, then he had to start almost completely over this year, returning only two significant contributors in Q and Ready (Holman only played half a season and spent most of that time getting his legs under him). With even more talent coming in and current weaknesses shored up, next year should look more like year 2 at his last two stops.

I agree, he gets another pass this year. Next year we need to be in or really close to the NCAA tourney. In year 4 we should be a Sweet 16 team.

[smootness]

Howland is a good recruiter. It is yet to be seen if he can coach.

No, that is not yet to be seen.

[Shooter McGavin]

C. Some understand we suck and are tired of it.

Damn we have quite the number of people on here who don't have a clue about basketball. If you can't see we have some talented young players then I can't help you because you don't know anything about basketball. As others have said, our freshman aren't Kentucky's freshmen. If you expected that, that's your fault for being delusional. Our guys best years are ahead of them. Last night was bad and I was frustrated afterwards too, but these guys are getting better. Just be patient.

[tcdog70]

it is pretty simple and has been said before. We live by the 3 and we die by the 3. Last night we died a grisly death. Q cannot have a $hitty game and us win. Ben really got the shaft when Ado didn't qualify. When the other team needs to score they just go to Ready's man and either drive by Him or shoot over Him. I think X needs to start with Peters and give Ready limited minutes. Plus last night Ready sucked on the offensive end.Peters needs to learn how not to commit silly fouls. When we shoot over 35% from the 3 we have a chance to win.

[HoopsDawg]

Damn..... some of you gave Ray 3 years but you won't give a proven winner 3. We need more big men..... any of you that followed any sort of basketball recruiting would know that Herard needed time to develop. You'd also know that we missed on recruiting the 4, which is what we needed desperately. Y'all are some impatient bastards.

Yep, De'Ron Davis would have made a huge difference with this team.

[Shooter McGavin]

I hate basketball, but I gave our team a chance tonight.

I emotionally re-engaged tonight & cleared my schedule root on the Dawgs.

I was greeted by a team with no low post presence & no defense.

You won't see me at the Hump this year.

Maybe someday this program will get back on it's feet.

Wow you cleared your schedule?! We are all so proud of you and glad you graced us with your basketball support for a game!1!11 Now we won't see you at the hump this year! However will we all survive?!!1/?!

I'll second Kentuckydawg you're a typical fairweather fan. No one cares if you don't come to anymore games so stay your ass at the house if that's what you want to do.

[HoopsDawg]

I wish we had kept giving datcher a few mins a game. If so, we could afford to go big with herard and Holman on the court at the same time vs teams like bama

I think we actually found a lineup last night with Peters, Q, X, Keglar, and Holman. And then what happens, X hurts his knee again and has to come out. That lineup was matching up well as far as defense and rebounding and we were closing the gap.