Is it all Sirmon's fault that the defense has been mostly terrible this year

[Maroonthirteen]

I'm trying to figure it out. Our secondary minus Redmond was garbage for the past few years and we overhauled every coach there and we still stink.

Recent fan favorite Richie Brown who we all thought we have a huge year has been awful most of the year outside the A&M game. The move to the 3-4 has adversly affectd him more than anybody else. He just can't shed a block and it's gotten to the point it looks like he doesn't even try half the time.

So against the run you've got safeties that aren't hard hitters and take bad angles, a ILB that can't get off a block, mdiocre DE's against the run and a redshirt freshman LB who has also been up and down. At some point it doesn't matter who is the coach and i think it's why you see us recruiting a crapload of JUCO at DE, LB and Safety.

BUT the one thing that is very apparent when watching the game is we don't fly to the ball and our front 7 are not physical and attacking. Some of that has to fall on the coaches b/c i refuse to believe the majority of our defensive players hate contact.

I'm honestly at a loss because the first half of the year we looked to at least be decent on defense, especially against the run. Hoped the secondary would get better over time but tonight was just pitiful.

You nailed it.

When we play teams with big physical OLs, we get dominated along the DL and LB. We are just to small and slow on the front 7.

Our secondary is....a bunch of finesse players with average speed. To put it nicely. But we are still blowing coverages all over the field. We had 3 players in one spot on one of Arks TD passes.

It is a talent problem by and larger. However the 3-4 doesn't help either and players blowing assifn.

However I dont believe Vandy has any more defensive talent that us. We will see how we do next weekend. The defensive performance should be better. We will get some pressure on Patterson but we will have a hard time containing Patterson because we are so slow. He is smaller younger player. So maybe the secondary won't mind hitting him.

My .02

[Cooterpoot]

60% coaching, 40% talent
We have the talent to win 6+ games. We don't have the talent to beat the top SEC teams.
Or scheme is complete garbage. Our strength/speed program is too.

[Bothrops]

You nailed it.

When we play teams with big physical OLs, we get dominated along the DL and LB. We are just to small and slow on the front 7.

Our secondary is....a bunch of finesse players with average speed. To put it nicely.

It is a talent problem. However I dont believe Vandy has any more defensive talent that us. We will see how we do next weekend. The defensive performance should be better. We will get some pressure on Patterson but we will have a hard time containing Patterson because we are so slow. He is smaller younger player. So maybe the secondary won't mind hitting him.

My .02

This is not a talent problem, that is, unless we have less talent than the rest of D1 football, because this defense is the worst to the naked eye. Our coaches have ****ed this defense up! How else can you explain HS players coming into this program, only to get worse, immediately.

[Maroonthirteen]

This is not a talent problem, that is, unless we have less talent than the rest of D1 football, because this defense is the worst to the naked eye. Our coaches have ****ed this defense up! How else can you explain HS players coming into this program, only to get worse, immediately.

When we play the cream of the SEC, yes it is a talent problem. However we have enough talent to beat USA, BYU and UK... coaching problem there.

Last night, Bama and Auburn was a combo of their OL being vastly superior and our scheme creating a terrible situation for us.

[Cooterpoot]

With a decent defense we win the 4 we won plus BYU, UK, AR, & UM. That's 8 wins with high expectations next year.

[msstate7]

With a decent defense we win the 4 we won plus BYU, UK, AR, & UM. That's 8 wins with high expectations next year.

Byu wasn't on the defense. 14 points in regulation

[Bothrops]

When we play the cream of the SEC, yes it is a talent problem. However we have enough talent to beat USA, BYU and UK... coaching problem there.

Last night, Bama and Auburn was a combo of their OL being vastly superior and our scheme creating a terrible situation for us.

And Arkansas

[Bothrops]

With a decent defense we win the 4 we won plus BYU, UK, AR, & UM. That's 8 wins with high expectations next year.

This is close. With competent coaching on that side, we'd won last night.

[Hrdawg82]

I agree. See TAMU game when he let Sirmon actually coach.

Are you certain that Mullen micromanaged the defense. I'm sure he has had some input but I don't think he is the point man game planning and coaching these kids.

[NCDawg]

I've been watching msu football since 95. This is by far the worst defense I have seen is field. As a guy that likes watching defense, this had become unbearable. I've no idea how he can look himself in the mirror with that shitshow.

I agree. I used to think Ron Cooper was the worst DC I had ever seen. Now, I think he has been surpassed by the current DC.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

This is close. With competent coaching on that side, we'd won last night.

If we couldn't score points we don't beat umass or Samford either . We could have 8 wins is something I can't just roll with. There is no moral victory simply because the defense was way worse than just decent. It's the worst to wear the maroon and white. I can't name one game where any adjustments were made that changed anything. The holes Arkansas backs were running through were a mile wide. Arkansas isn't a finesse team either.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

A Williams looks very good.

I agree

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

Silly we scored 42 tonight. Don't let one bad season and an awful defense make you forget that this year's offense is one of the best in school history.

Have you seen LSU and Florida play this year? Our offensive system and QB development is elite compared to theirs.

You don't fire coaches that do that unless they show a sustained inability to win football games. One year is not a trend.

It's the worst defense miss state has put on the field. Period. Yeah we scored 42. Doesn't matter when you give up 58 tho. It's more than just a one yr trend on the defensive side of the ball. Mullen hired a guy with zero experience and it was a flat lazy hire. So what now? 8 D.C. in 9 yrs. That's a bad trend there. I mean who has ever had that many changes at one coaching position?