How to keep the story alive?

[coastratdog]

Unless there is a caticlusmic historical shift most news stories have a very short life span. Come New Year's Day as Big Softee, lil kimnichee, paidwell and CJ finish their careers at UNM will their stories of payoffs, drug abuse, family member free housing and jobs leave with them? How/who will continue to follow up with these allegations so the real story of Saint Bucky and his network of good deeds will be kept front and center. Has the whole truth of the saga of Big Kimnichee and his near death experience and subsequent hospital stay been brought to the public? These are stories that we need to become bigger than life so it could be a bug in future recruits minds. All we can really do is pray for "divine" I mean NCAA intervention. It would also help if we would beat them every once in a while. F?{?ears.

[Spiderman]

Unless there is a caticlusmic historical shift most news stories have a very short life span. Come New Year's Day as Big Softee, lil kimnichee, paidwell and CJ finish their careers at UNM will their stories of payoffs, drug abuse, family member free housing and jobs leave with them? How/who will continue to follow up with these allegations so the real story of Saint Bucky and his network of good deeds will be kept front and center. Has the whole truth of the saga of Big Kimnichee and his near death experience and subsequent hospital stay been brought to the public? These are stories that we need to become bigger than life so it could be a bug in future recruits minds. All we can really do is pray for "divine" I mean NCAA intervention. It would also help if we would beat them every once in a while. F?{?ears.

I bet you if you could find "Da Champ" Snoop Brassell on some corner somewhere, Tobias Singleton Manning and Pat Pat and offer them about a grand apiece to tell the story of their and CJ's recruitment, you could bring the whole rotten thing down.

[Bully13]

I just wish we were on the positive end of the last 2 egg bowls, headed to the sugar, back to back wins over bama along with a dominate win over LSU, so E-Dogs didn't have that KUNT assed "beat bama" shit posted on it's front page, along with another top 5 class on the way to put more ass whippings in the future.

but don't worry my loyal brethren, Bracky is on the way. he will right all these wrongs you speak of and all will once again be well in Vegas. our 24th ranked class will once uhGAIN show those scoundrels up north a lesson or two NEXT year because we develop RAW talent that WANT to be a BULLDOG!!!

[RealHastings]

offer them about a grand apiece

Sheeeyittt, you can get off cheaper than that. I was thinking offer 'em about 100 bucks each. That should do it. I mean, look at the crew you're talking about here.

[Todd4State]

I just wish we were on the positive end of the last 2 egg bowls, headed to the sugar, back to back wins over bama along with a dominate win over LSU, so E-Dogs didn't have that KUNT assed "beat bama" shit posted on it's front page, along with another top 5 class on the way to put more ass whippings in the future.

but don't worry my loyal brethren, Bracky is on the way. he will right all these wrongs you speak of and all will once again be well in Vegas. our 24th ranked class will once uhGAIN show those scoundrels up north a lesson or two NEXT year because we develop RAW talent that WANT to be a BULLDOG!!!

Here's a fact- the last two MSU coaches to lose the Egg Bowl three times in a row were not asked to return the next season.

The only good thing about losing is it serves as a vehicle for change. It's simply a matter of how much the cigar boys are willing to put up with in my mind. Dan needs to win the bowl game for his own sake to stay in their good graces as much as possible and not lose any more ground. There's nothing Ole Miss does as a football program that we are not capable of ourselves.

[I seen it dawg]

Why aren't the masses on here hammering this shit instead of eating our own of Mullen and crootin. Shit I dislike Mullen more than anybody but I hate OM infinitely. Let's all get on board and pull the rope to the fact OM hasn't done shit with that national champion crootin class except set land speed records in spice sales and drug arrests and underachieving. **** those assholes.

[Spiderman]

Why aren't the masses on here hammering this shit instead of eating our own of Mullen and crootin. Shit I dislike Mullen more than anybody but I hate OM infinitely. Let's all get on board and pull the rope to the fact OM hasn't done shit with that national champion crootin class except set land speed records in spice sales and drug arrests and underachieving. **** those assholes.

You dislike Mullen?

I don't. yes, he has got to get back to owning Ole Miss, but we are going to a bowl for the 6th straight year. Say what you want, but when I was in school, we would kill for any bowl. Hell, we were 7-4 and didn't get one once.

[maroonmania]

You dislike Mullen?

I don't. yes, he has got to get back to owning Ole Miss, but we are going to a bowl for the 6th straight year. Say what you want, but when I was in school, we would kill for any bowl. Hell, we were 7-4 and didn't get one once.

I don't think we are going to be owning OM anytime soon as long as they are allowed to continue to recruit with their current methods with no NCAA repercussions. I still sit here amazed that we've been on probation over the trivial crap at the end of Jackie's tenure and the Will Redmond car discount while they are giving out more than both of those cases combined just as incentives for guys to make official visits, much less to sign on a routine basis. In fact, at OM's current pace they could become a yearly threat to AL in the SEC and have a good chance to compete for the CFP. That's just the lay of the land at the moment. We still have some very, very good things going on with our football program (well minus the OL) but we just don't have the coaching staff, administration or booster base willing to organize and play the game (i.e. cheat) at the level required to bring in nationally elite recruits like the school up the road is currently doing to consistently compete at a national level. I mean there are just limits to how high you can climb primarily being a developmental program. SO, yes I want to beat OM as much as anyone BUT we've lost to them the last 2 years while compiling a record of 18-6 in the process. Yet we don't seem to be able to take much if any joy in that. IMO we are just going to have to transition, as a fanbase, from judging our season so much strictly on how we perform against OM in the Egg Bowl. It looks like we are going to be fighting an uphill battle there from a sheer talent standpoint in the near future as the vast majority of teams will when they play OM so we need to not pin our hopes so much on winning that game to consider ourselves having a successful season. If we had gone 18-6 over the past 2 years with 2 Egg Bowl wins we would all be ecstatic. Anyway just food for thought.

[I seen it dawg]

You dislike Mullen?

I don't. yes, he has got to get back to owning Ole Miss, but we are going to a bowl for the 6th straight year. Say what you want, but when I was in school, we would kill for any bowl. Hell, we were 7-4 and didn't get one once.

Yes I do and your post is outdated and obtuse.

[Todd4State]

I don't think we are going to be owning OM anytime soon as long as they are allowed to continue to recruit with their current methods with no NCAA repercussions. I still sit here amazed that we've been on probation over the trivial crap at the end of Jackie's tenure and the Will Redmond car discount while they are giving out more than both of those cases combined just as incentives for guys to make official visits, much less to sign on a routine basis. In fact, at OM's current pace they could become a yearly threat to AL in the SEC and have a good chance to compete for the CFP. That's just the lay of the land at the moment. We still have some very, very good things going on with our football program (well minus the OL) but we just don't have the coaching staff, administration or booster base willing to organize and play the game (i.e. cheat) at the level required to bring in nationally elite recruits like the school up the road is currently doing to consistently compete at a national level. I mean there are just limits to how high you can climb primarily being a developmental program. SO, yes I want to beat OM as much as anyone BUT we've lost to them the last 2 years while compiling a record of 18-6 in the process. Yet we don't seem to be able to take much if any joy in that. IMO we are just going to have to transition, as a fanbase, from judging our season so much strictly on how we perform against OM in the Egg Bowl. It looks like we are going to be fighting an uphill battle there from a sheer talent standpoint in the near future as the vast majority of teams will when they play OM so we need to not pin our hopes so much on winning that game to consider ourselves having a successful season. If we had gone 18-6 over the past 2 years with 2 Egg Bowl wins we would all be ecstatic. Anyway just food for thought.

It's not just the Egg Bowl. It's equally sickening how we lost to LSU with clock mismanagement, a Texas A&M team that wasn't that good, and then looked completely inept against Alabama. 18-6 is "good"- but who are the wins against? The only wins during that time that I would consider memorable would be LSU, Auburn, and Texas A&M last year- maybe Arkansas this year because it was exciting? None of those teams were better than 8-5.

Barrett Sallee said it best about Dan- he has raised our floor because he beats people he "should beat" very consistently. But he hasn't raised our ceiling. Our only power five win against a team with a record of better than 6-6 was Arkansas.

It would be one thing if we looked ready to play in those games that we lost- but that wasn't the case in any of them. That's VERY concerning to me.

So, it's not JUST the Egg Bowl that a lot of people are judging Dan by- although yeah, I agree if we had won the critics wouldn't be as bad because we beat our rival and we would be in the Sugar Bowl- but at the end of the day it's still the WHOLE body of work that is being looked at. Like last year, how many people were upset at Dan for going 10-2 and losing the Egg Bowl? I don't remember very many. And that was because despite losing the Egg Bowl we beat some pretty good teams along the way as well and both the losses were on the road and the Alabama loss was very close at the end of the day.

It's time for Dan to raise the ceiling. And it's time for some of our fans to realize that it's not 1984, 1991, or even 1998 anymore. We have the resources and everything we need to potentially win a National Championship in football, and we need to start making that the goal and do what it takes to achieve that. How do I know that? Because we were able to get to number one in the country last freaking year which was more than Ole Miss and their NFL superstar class ever got to.

I wish there was going to be some big pow wow between Keenum, Stricklin, Dan, and the cigar boys about what we have to do to realistically do that this offseason and then go about making it happen- and leave nothing off the table. Whether that be forming our own network, not being so to the letter when dealing with the NCAA, or how we think the team should be managed better. But that's a pipe dream even though it would be really nice.

[shannondawg]

Just who are the cigar boys these days? it was pretty evident back in LT's day, because he had them with him in his box and were an entourage with him wherever he went.
And after any game they were the ones with the biggest and best cigars, hence their name.

[Todd4State]

Just who are the cigar boys these days? it was pretty evident back in LT's day, because he had them with him in his box and were an entourage with him wherever he went.
And after any game they were the ones with the biggest and best cigars, hence their name.

Naming them on a public message board would only potentially serve to undermine us.

[maroonmania]

It's not just the Egg Bowl. It's equally sickening how we lost to LSU with clock mismanagement, a Texas A&M team that wasn't that good, and then looked completely inept against Alabama. 18-6 is "good"- but who are the wins against? The only wins during that time that I would consider memorable would be LSU, Auburn, and Texas A&M last year- maybe Arkansas this year because it was exciting? None of those teams were better than 8-5.

Barrett Sallee said it best about Dan- he has raised our floor because he beats people he "should beat" very consistently. But he hasn't raised our ceiling. Our only power five win against a team with a record of better than 6-6 was Arkansas.

It would be one thing if we looked ready to play in those games that we lost- but that wasn't the case in any of them. That's VERY concerning to me.

So, it's not JUST the Egg Bowl that a lot of people are judging Dan by- although yeah, I agree if we had won the critics wouldn't be as bad because we beat our rival and we would be in the Sugar Bowl- but at the end of the day it's still the WHOLE body of work that is being looked at. Like last year, how many people were upset at Dan for going 10-2 and losing the Egg Bowl? I don't remember very many. And that was because despite losing the Egg Bowl we beat some pretty good teams along the way as well and both the losses were on the road and the Alabama loss was very close at the end of the day.

It's time for Dan to raise the ceiling. And it's time for some of our fans to realize that it's not 1984, 1991, or even 1998 anymore. We have the resources and everything we need to potentially win a National Championship in football, and we need to start making that the goal and do what it takes to achieve that. How do I know that? Because we were able to get to number one in the country last freaking year which was more than Ole Miss and their NFL superstar class ever got to.

I wish there was going to be some big pow wow between Keenum, Stricklin, Dan, and the cigar boys about what we have to do to realistically do that this offseason and then go about making it happen- and leave nothing off the table. Whether that be forming our own network, not being so to the letter when dealing with the NCAA, or how we think the team should be managed better. But that's a pipe dream even though it would be really nice.

I pretty much agree with all you have posted, and I think we are sort of making the same point. As a "developmental" program Dan HAS raised the floor consistently to beat teams that we should beat and that we have equal talent or better. But to break through on the ceiling I'm just not sure we can do that, at least not consistently, if we aren't ever going to be in on any elite recruits outside of MS. And right now, unlike OM, we don't have the stomach to try and go the route it takes to get most of those type guys. Heck, we have an elite recruit in GA with both parents being MSU alums and we are probably his 3rd choice at best. Even last year when we got the "good" wins it was against teams that were not quite as good as we thought they were when we played them. AND our project OL were VERY veteran players which is not going to happen every year so that helped along the offensive front as well. As it stands right now with our current recruiting methods we should be a consistent 7 to 8 win team with a chance to get to 9 or even 10 depending on how good the SEC West happens to be that year. Not a bad place to be but not really a prescription for competing for championships. However, do beware that if we should change coaches that there is much more room for us to move downward than upward. Its really tough for a non-traditional power program like ourselves to break through that ceiling on any type of consistent basis. OM is trying to do it but they are willing to do things we aren't and apparently they are very good at doing things that the NCAA can't get a good handle on or are too inept to follow.

[Jacksondevildog]

Here we are a little over a month until national signing day and we have two prospects from Starkville that we are sweating it about. That would not happen in Oxford. We have a Johnie cooks' nephew (offensive tackle) in West Point uncommitted. It's just concerning. I'm sure this thread will be locked because someone has made a negative comment about recruiting when they are just stating the obvious.

[Tripp McNeely]

Here we are a little over a month until national signing day and we have two prospects from Starkville that we are sweating it about. That would not happen in Oxford. We have a Johnie cooks' nephew (offensive tackle) in West Point uncommitted. It's just concerning. I'm sure this thread will be locked because someone has made a negative comment about recruiting when they are just stating the obvious.

I know it's been said a thousand times...but apparently it needs to be said a thousand more...the three guys that you mentioned are going to State. The timing of their actual commitments (and several others) is being orchestrated...calm down

[Coach34]

Here we are a little over a month until national signing day and we have two prospects from Starkville that we are sweating it about.

We arent sweating 2 of the 3

[Jacksondevildog]

AJ brown?
Kobe Jones?
Scott Lashley?
Jeffrey Simmons?

Jones and Lashley will end up at State. The other two are in question.

[Spiderman]

Yes I do and your post is outdated and obtuse.

Oooooo- Kay

[Todd4State]

I pretty much agree with all you have posted, and I think we are sort of making the same point. As a "developmental" program Dan HAS raised the floor consistently to beat teams that we should beat and that we have equal talent or better. But to break through on the ceiling I'm just not sure we can do that, at least not consistently, if we aren't ever going to be in on any elite recruits outside of MS. And right now, unlike OM, we don't have the stomach to try and go the route it takes to get most of those type guys. Heck, we have an elite recruit in GA with both parents being MSU alums and we are probably his 3rd choice at best. Even last year when we got the "good" wins it was against teams that were not quite as good as we thought they were when we played them. AND our project OL were VERY veteran players which is not going to happen every year so that helped along the offensive front as well. As it stands right now with our current recruiting methods we should be a consistent 7 to 8 win team with a chance to get to 9 or even 10 depending on how good the SEC West happens to be that year. Not a bad place to be but not really a prescription for competing for championships. However, do beware that if we should change coaches that there is much more room for us to move downward than upward. Its really tough for a non-traditional power program like ourselves to break through that ceiling on any type of consistent basis. OM is trying to do it but they are willing to do things we aren't and apparently they are very good at doing things that the NCAA can't get a good handle on or are too inept to follow.

Yes, I think we were agreeing for the most part. I just don't see us as a fan base and a University just being willing to sit back and just be satisfied with where we are even if that is 8-4 every year. Right now that might be OK- but after awhile our fans, alumni, and University officials are going to get tired of it and then want more. Just like back when LT was AD I'm sure we had plenty of fans that were OK with going to the Liberty Bowl and 7-4 every 3-4 years. And even then you had fans that said we could win 8 games consistently like we are now. To me, it's just a matter of when that happens.

We'll see what happens with Derrick Brown, but if we don't land him I totally agree we need to do a better job with out of state alumni like that. You are right that if he came from an Ole Miss family, they would do anything and everything possible to get him. And I'm not saying we haven't because I know he has officially visited us- just that Ole Miss would go over the top with it.

To be honest with you, I'm still on the fence about Ole Miss recruiting only because we don't know what the NCAA is going to do to them. To me, a USC type probation where we are rebuilding for five years isn't worth it in exchange for two NYD bowls. That would be like a NFL team signing a bunch of high priced superstars and getting to the playoffs for a couple of years but then wrecking themselves from a salary cap standpoint. By that same token, if the NCAA lets Ole Miss slide (personally don't think they will) then I think we should go all in.

Now, as far as changing coaches to me it's a case by case basis. I will be the first to admit that changing coaches is something where we could end up with someone worse than Dan. But I also think we could end up with someone better also- and I don't think we need to be afraid to make a change to make ourselves better if necessary. Dan was risky at the time in that he had no head coaching experience. I think if he had head coaching experience we would have known his flaws better- and I think we are the type of program now that can almost demand as a requirement that our next head coach have head coaching experience. That should help us know what we are getting and what to expect.

[Dawgcentral]

Just who are the cigar boys these days? it was pretty evident back in LT's day, because he had them with him in his box and were an entourage with him wherever he went.
And after any game they were the ones with the biggest and best cigars, hence their name.

Not sure what you're talking about. Big money guys have their own boxes/seating. LT would travel the skyboxes greeting folks. Used to see it before just about every game. If I didn't see him in the box I visited, I usually saw him out in the walkway.

When LT couldn't make it, you get a visit from an associate A.D.